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MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine Tennis Association will decide tomorrow whether or not to retain Fil-Am Cecil Mamiit as spearhead of the Philippine team when it faces Pacific-Oceania in the Asia-Oceania Davis Cup Group II first round tie slated Feb. 10-12 in Iriga City.
“I’m not yet sure but everything will be decided by the board tomorrow,” Philta’s Davis Cup administrator Randy Villanueva told The STAR yesterday.
The 35-year-old Mamiit has skippered the national squad in the last four years where he guided the team to Group I before it was relegated to Group II this year.
Aside from his Davis Cup stints, Mamiit also won two gold medals in the SEA Games plus a couple of bronze medals in the 2006 Doha Asian Games.
There were reports, however, that Mamiit may still be tapped as playing team captain for the upcoming tournament for the needed leadership and experience but on a limited role to give way for the younger players like Jeson Patrombon and Francis Casey Alcantara.
Meanwhile, Villanueva also said that the venue was moved from the Iriga City Coliseum to the newly refurbished indoor court of University of Saint Anthony, also in the capital city.
Host city Mayor Madeline Alfelor-Gazmen and Philta recently signed the memorandum of agreement to formalize Iriga City’s hosting of the event.
Pacific-Oceania, which defeated Iran, 4-1, in their own relegation tie to stay in Group II, are composed of players from associate member islands of Oceania except those from Australia and New Zealand.
West Nott, Cyrile Jacobe, Leon So’Onalole, Michael Leong and Daniel Llarenas will make up the Pacific-Oceania team that joined the Davis Cup in 1995. The team’s best finish was a second round stint in Group II in 2005.
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2011, 05:03:18 PM » |
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why not? he could still win matches, but i hope it'll not be 3 matches as what he has done in all davis cup he played. kahit na no bearing game against japan last year nilaro pa niya.
i agree for younger ones to play for our country too.
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 09:14:33 PM » |
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ako siguro di na sya dapat maglaro kahit nananalo pa siya kasi para naman ung ibang batang players magkaroon na ng experience sa davis cup.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 04:38:48 PM » |
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Mamiit knows his capability. His mind and pride still there but physically downgraded. Nobody beats age, you're not machine like Terminator,Robo cop,Transformer, etc....Let's face reality he has to give way to young once for a better future of Philippine Tennis. I used to be there that's I know it.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 04:43:14 PM » |
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Chance for younger players to be exposed, pwede siguro reserve for mentoring purposes for other younger players.  |
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 06:15:49 AM » |
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2011, 02:03:43 PM » |
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He should not play I think, as Philippines is now downgrade to a lower division Davis cup. risk of falling out is very remote.
So use this time to school in younger players Alcantara, Patrombon, Reyes or local J Arcilla even if he is 30 or 31. I dont think Cecil has lost so much capacity due to age, and Agassi won a grand slam at his age. It is more that his playing style is old fashioned, no power, not competitive anymore on highest levels. Tennis has globally improved so much last 10 years.
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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2011, 03:43:36 PM » |
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If his being in the team in a hindrance in finding new talents then my answer is he should get out... fast.
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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2011, 07:58:59 AM » |
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If Mamiit is not retained, the next hot issue would be, who would be the next DC captain? It will be an interesting fight.
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2011, 06:26:14 AM » |
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Santeb, Mamiit is retired as a playing davis cupper but he is still the non playing captain. Interesting , ano kaya magiging role no Cecil and influence niya sa team.
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2011, 08:59:19 AM » |
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Too expensive to be non-playing captain. His fee may be worth it as player, not as captain.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2012, 12:57:14 PM » |
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Issue of captain is easy. Too expensive to bring in Mamiit. Manny Tecson would be available as Jeson is in the team anyway. Give him half Mamiit fee, and problem solved.
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 08:10:45 AM » |
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You will find out that nothing is easy in Philippine sports. You're new here so you don't really know what happened in the past and what the current circumstances are, except of course what you read here. News here in PTO is only skin deep. Most of the insiders of Philippine tennis except for SLP don't dare post here anymore after what happened to Tuan. They had a good laugh out of that.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 08:54:58 AM » |
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 12:59:34 PM » |
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If Mamiit still wants good bucks$$$ being a captain why don't give it to the locals who are capable of captainship. I don't think Manny Tec will handle it?
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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 10:23:28 PM » |
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Manny Tecson has outstanding coaching experience. He was coach for the Philippines during 80s I believe when Phil davis cup team were playing matches for the World group, probably the best tennis achievement in Philippines tennis history.
He is on the Pro Futures tour as of now. Do we have any other coach in the country with just half that track record and proven competence?
I can very well imagine he is not popular among all quarters in the tennis community, just imagine a dose of crab mentality and envy to start with. And maybe trashing the mess and corruption in Philta before and so forth. Just guessing. But take this chance to rise from sport politics. Here is a chance to Show that no more trad politics, here we go with competence, and he is outstanding.
And this is not a full time job. Just to follow our national players and those are very few, scout players from opponents, and camp and try outs with the team a week or two before the annual 3-4 matches. Select members for the team and give tactical and other advice to the players. Love for the game and country would help, having a vision. International network among ATP/pro coaches he should have as well.
Ok, if there is solid arguments against him fine, but just refering to diffuculties with philippine sport, something in the past etc doesn t convince.
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 11:14:05 PM » |
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And who had a good laugh about Tuan leaving this board?
Anyway, i wish him back. (The isulting poster should have been banned instead.)
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And according to Santeb, did i get it right, AJ Lim was banned from PTA (not the other way) as his dad has opinions on the training practice/coaches there? Is that good practice in a new academy just a few months after starting, with a player who is Philippines first ever Orange bowl finalist?
Andre Agassi did a lot of rule breaking, and the very tough Nick Bollettieri didnt kick him out anyway....
I know Romy Chan and his family did a lot since long time for Philippine tennis and that is great. But that doesnt rule out possible weaknesses in the opearations, systems, staffing, or management of the academy he sponsors. How else can it improve and reach it goals?
And if Lim sr have complaints that should be listen to, he has been at Bollettieris academy in Florida for many months and has coached his son to this fantastic level, no 2 in the 12u boys in the World!
... pride, politics, prestige, hot headedness....and lost opportunity for philippine tennis. Hope they can mend fences or that jalosjos and Tecson can take good care of him.
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2012, 11:26:26 PM » |
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same old complaints the past thirty years about Philta, same gripes, whines, excuses, but once they themselves get into a position of authority and power , they also succumb to corruption, greed, and inggitan,haaay...pare hindi crab mentality yan, you are definitely naive about what's going on...i can understand your loyalty to manny as you have recommended kids to him before...so anyway, i respect your opinions...
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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2012, 08:12:38 AM » |
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You should not have mentioned names, specially if you are going to criticize. No more info from me.
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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2012, 11:56:31 AM » |
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I have no relation or loyality to Manny. I am just a neutral, outside observer.
He just has solid track record as a coach, international top level. Been very successful DC captain before even. On the pro tour now as coach for filipino players, travelling, getting network with other coaches from many countries.
I appreciate if some of you insiders can be very close to the patrons etc and therefore cant discuss matters openly. But in general, and otherwise, I belive we should not be so meak, careful, "respectful" in the weak, passive sense, that we cant go straight to the point and discuss pro and cons in a good way.
I understand there has been many local academies and sponsorprogram long time before pta and they failed. Whereas in the rest of the world new academies are established all the time and help produce top players. Not all, but quite a few, and lets learn from the best.
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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2012, 01:46:59 PM » |
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Hehehehehe....!
sir tommyfr, How long have known Hi-Tec? We are not downgrading him, He's a good coach. No question!
Don't say something about AJ Lim because you didn't know the reality behind his break-up with PTA. Godfather,Me and Mr.Lim had a meeting before he leaves for orange bowl.
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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2012, 02:03:16 PM » |
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I have no relation or loyality to Manny. I am just a neutral, outside observer.
He just has solid track record as a coach, international top level. Been very successful DC captain before even. On the pro tour now as coach for filipino players, travelling, getting network with other coaches from many countries.
I appreciate if some of you insiders can be very close to the patrons etc and therefore cant discuss matters openly. But in general, and otherwise, I belive we should not be so meak, careful, "respectful" in the weak, passive sense, that we cant go straight to the point and discuss pro and cons in a good way.
I understand there has been many local academies and sponsorprogram long time before pta and they failed. Whereas in the rest of the world new academies are established all the time and help produce top players. Not all, but quite a few, and lets learn from the best.
I suggest talking to Billyd about the personalities you are not that familiar with. He's the most insider expat in the Philippines. |
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2012, 10:13:13 PM » |
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This thread was started about new DC captain.
Just by mistake I brought up the question on Lim jr here, as in a nother thread Cypher asked what happended about him and there are talks he signed up to train under Manny Tecson. And Santeb and others responded there as well.
As for manny Tecson I just met him a couple of times one year ago.
I am just interested in tennis culture and development of talent, and the success factors for that to happen, globally and in this country. Not only tennis talent but in general the issue of expert skills acquisition.
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2012, 11:26:29 PM » |
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if u say ur an outsider ,be tactful, you are entitled to ur opinions, but never bash people who have contributed to pinoy tennis.
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2012, 10:39:23 AM » |
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First of all pytda you should not be the one to teach me forum behavior, it was only last august you called Tuan bad words and others, and he decided because of that to leave this forum, and up to then he was one of the best contributors here.
Second, Why should i be 'careful'. Is this north korea or afganistan?
And anyway, if you can read i have not bashed anyone. I have raised points from different angles always in good will.
I thought this was a forum for exchange of ideas and information.
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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2012, 08:46:06 AM » |
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tama naman si PYTDA dito, not good to bash anybody specially the tennis patrons whose done so much for pinoy tennis
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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2012, 11:57:34 AM » |
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Hi cypher here. Im so sorry to butt in. A very goos source told me that aj lim was pulled out by no other than his father because aj was being mixed with the paying students of PTA. The father was dissapointed because they went from their place in manila almost everyday to alabang and the training was not good since he was expecting that they will focus on AJ as part of the elite team and will give him quality training.. But instead the coaches or idk if its our dear tuan that decided that aj play a paying student instead of a hitter that they hired. Im not sure how much is true but can anyone confirm another more.. From what ive heard from some players aj turned down bollieterri for TAPF. They said aj was the one who wanted to join the TAPF team and Coach Manny. How true are these rumors?
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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2012, 12:04:35 PM » |
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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2012, 12:38:28 PM » |
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Hahaha sir pytda you are laughing at your own assumption that im coach manny. I have answered you already about that. Im not coaxh manny and as far as i know. Coach manny doesnt have the time to check or even register at pto. Im sorry to say if you can prove that im coach manny then .. I will be the last person to be laughing...hahahhaa..Its amusinghow people assume that they know who i am. When im just postingk
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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2012, 12:58:04 PM » |
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sure you do...some of ur players already did...   ....we're very grateful of ur articles...any publicity is good publicity...we're learning a lot so marami pong salamat...btw...welcome back to Manila, and i'll see u in Makati Sports.... |
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« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2012, 01:03:26 PM » |
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First of all pytda you should not be the one to teach me forum behavior, it was only last august you called Tuan bad words and others, and he decided because of that to leave this forum, and up to then he was one of the best contributors here.
Second, Why should i be 'careful'. Is this north korea or afganistan?
And anyway, if you can read i have not bashed anyone. I have raised points from different angles always in good will. [/u]
I thought this was a forum for exchange of ideas and information.
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« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2012, 04:49:14 PM » |
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pytda,
panay pala ang sama nyo ni That's My Boy sa makati sports eh!
Cypher,
You know CYPHER if you're not DASMAboy, It's Manny's favorite Phrase, "That's My Boy." Thank you for spreading the Good news/results of TAFP programs for the benefits of everybody. Manny is doing great in his program but How come almost 95% of Philippine Tennis players are against him. Why? because of jealousy? I don't think so.
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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2012, 05:15:19 PM » |
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Cypher before you enter into this fray, you have got to know that Tecson has nothing to gain by this. The PTA is composed of the big boys of Philippine tennis when it comes to sponsorships and support. Someone just singled out a name of whom is just part of the group. These guys formed a private group precisely so they do not have to deal with all the tennis experts in the Philippines. It's their money, their rules, their organization. You have to remember that Tecson is in the tennis teaching profession. He cannot burn his bridges with this group.
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« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2012, 12:39:20 AM » |
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SLP, malaki istorya yan Camoy, kahit Muntinglupa at Makati Sports pa kami magkita,hahah...
ingat ka SLP ,the 5 percent who love Mtec are here with many alternicks...
one even went home few years ago, and clashed with some tennis pinoy patrons about his "program" kuno,.... (that guy supossed to be a racket expert, and he's in the forum alright)
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« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2012, 10:17:41 AM » |
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Racketwiz, thanks. I have read some of your previous posts. You not only can read, I would add highly educated and intelligent.
Santeb, so if PTA kicks out AJ (according to you, although there are other information on who took the initiative), and AJ later have an offer from Bollettieri and TAPF, choses the latter option, then Manny should not take him on, because that can upset PTA patrons, and "burn the bridges".
Is that your message and standpoint? To Manny, to the Lim's?
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« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2012, 11:42:10 AM » |
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Of course not. My point is, the PTA being a privately funded group can train whoever they want and refuse who they don't think they can deal with. I wish AJ Lim all the luck in the world. This is the situation wherever part of the democratic world you are in, if you cannot come into an agreement with another party, you don't have to deal with each other. You can part ways amicably. Nobody can force anybody to do what they don't want to do. The essence of democracy.
You may have misunderstood me when I said Cypher should not be bashing PTA for the benefit of Tecson. That doesn't have anything to do with Lim. Whether or not there was an issue with Lim, he just shouldn't bash PTA because eventually it would not reflect well on his hero.
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« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2012, 01:37:35 PM » |
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AJ's development will be better than Bolletieri's and PTA. Magandang desisyon ng ama. He's in good hands and no doubt that MTec is the best coach.
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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2012, 02:26:39 PM » |
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SLP, malaki istorya yan Camoy, kahit Muntinglupa at Makati Sports pa kami magkita,hahah...
ingat ka SLP ,the 5 percent who love Mtec are here with many alternicks...
one even went home few years ago, and clashed with some tennis pinoy patrons about his "program" kuno,.... (that guy supossed to be a racket expert, and he's in the forum alright)
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« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2012, 02:54:05 PM » |
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oo naman, i use to sponsor some of his kids...
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« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2012, 02:58:26 PM » |
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tommyfr, very kind of you. Thanks. PTA, TAPF, alternicks..... A secret cabal of tennis patrons, a cartel of mystery insiders and the perils of raising the ire of the tennis gods. Man,this sounds like a Robert Ludlum thriller.
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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2012, 09:53:33 PM » |
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Cypher here,
I wish to clarify that i am not bashing PTA, its just that my source told me this story and im just informing everyone, its not my opinion and im not bashing PTA, it was how the story was told.. Also i believe PTA, TAPF and other Tennis association here in the Philippines are doing a good job on developing the future of tennis here in the Philippines im not siding with anyone but i believe that results speaks a lot, and for me the group with the best results since maybe 3 years ago is TAPF, PTA is a young team, and they have lot of potential players like Jurence Mendoza, Tamitha Nguyen and i think they are still looking for more. With regards to AJ Lim, in my opinion if he was removed by PTA or if he was withdrawn by his dad i dont really know, thats why i want those here in PTO to clear the rumor on what really happened coz the dillema of PTA i think that they just lost a good potential player and to TAPF gained another maybe and possibly Jeson in the making.. For me if the father saw something wrong or something good comparing will be bad, maybe we will know in the future if its a good choice or not, but all the BEST to both Camps im sure everyone is working hard, not besting eash other but individually going for more concrete and high performance results,
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« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2012, 11:57:42 PM » |
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pytda, si congressman lang ang sponsor ng TAPF....wala ng iba...ang TAPF lang ang may resulta, .....ang basehan lang ng galing ang resulta...huwag ng tampuhan, inggitan at kurokuro...
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« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2012, 12:17:14 AM » |
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« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2012, 07:14:46 AM » |
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Naku Dasmaboy and Cypher. Wag nyo ng pagusapan beginnings ng Team Congressman. Baka lumabas.
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« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2012, 12:12:27 PM » |
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Haha..lumabas ang alin?pytda i forgot who you are..who are you again?
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« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2012, 12:24:56 PM » |
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cypher...remember reina regente??? PCSO?? Hayward?? better yet neopolitan?
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« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2012, 12:59:57 PM » |
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Sorry i dont remember... Where are those places?
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« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2012, 01:02:34 PM » |
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Naku Dasmaboy and Cypher. Wag nyo ng pagusapan beginnings ng Team Congressman. Baka lumabas.
santeb i think you know better than i do, how team congressman start. Please enlighten me.. Is this TAPF history? |
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