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[FREDCAS]

ano reason:
1. para hindi makabawi ung opponent dahil walang second set
2. time constraints
3. limited court
4. hard to organize
5. fees
6. mahina resistensiya ng mga player

[RafaRen]

#1 diyan oras..,

[wiretrain]

naku baka po di ko kaya mag 2 set straight, walang pahinga hehe

[Tennis_Guy]

one or two day tournament na best of 3 sets? kakapagod iniisip ko pa lang hahaha 

[hifromhenry]

dito sa Cali, weekend tournaments are best of 3 sets.  due to time constraints, 3rd set is often a 10pt tiebreak.
nakakapagod talaga, especially for gurangs like myself.  crazy scheduling pa.
only juniors and twenty-somethings can play 2 matches in a day, let alone 2 matches in 2 days.
sa NCAA, they play doubles matches as best of 8 games, and singles matches as best of 3 sets.
i totally support  1-set singles matches for weekend tournaments.  players can agree whether 6 or 8 games.
for doubles i think, best of 3 sets is doable, but 1-set 8 games is probably ideal.

 

[skywalker_1701]

I was also wishing for that type of tournament.  Para bang rebanse (tama ba spelling?) sa basketball (hehehe).  Tapos kapag nanalo ka sa second set ay decision  .

Anyway, For me there are two reasons, it is time and very hard to organize.  Since majority of the members here are busy with their respective professions, mahirap mag organize ng isang ganitong tourney.

In Canberra, Australia, there are six types of tournaments which are held every year.  These are the following:

1. AMT - The Australian Money Tournament which is an Australian Ranking Tournament.  This is an graded event open to all players

2. The Australian Capital Territory (ACT) Open - This is open to all ACT and Region Players

3. Optus Junior Tour (OJT)  – Australian Ranking Event
Age Group events, open to all junior players.

4. JDS    Junior Development Series – Local tournaments open to all junior players.

5. School Events –  entry is through your school.

6. Senior Events run by ACT Seniors – for players 35 years and over.

Take note.  These are usually a best of three set and is a three day event

[smiley]

anually, ung tournament sa club namin, double knockout, best of 3 sets, first 2 sets- no deuce, sudden death, 3rd set if needed, 1-10 super tie break. pasok un sa 1 hour duration. kung dikit ung mga laban, it'll more than that.... pero inaabot ung tourney ng 1 month o 4 weekends.

sa na-experience ko naman sa cayman isl, best of 3 regular sets as in ATP style. and matapos in 1 week or less, at madalas night games. and you only play a match or two lang.

sa tingin ko, ito ung mga reasons kaya 1 setter lang:
1. members availability
2. court availability
3. mas magastos and
4. kakapagod 3 setters

[FREDCAS]

kasi kung race to 6 lang 1 setter bitin ung fee minsan P500 pinaka mababa na ung 300pesos kung matalo ka bye bye agad walang bawi tapos ung iba talagang tour dinadayo ung mga PTO tournaments pede siguro race to 8 na regular scoring eh kung slow starter player ka pa ung timing mo sa palo huli mo na na feel 

sana may mag organize atp style edi taasan ung fee para sulit ung binayad.matalo or manalo

[smiley]

kasi kung race to 6 lang 1 setter bitin ung fee minsan P500 pinaka mababa na ung 300pesos kung matalo ka bye bye agad walang bawi tapos ung iba talagang tour dinadayo ung mga PTO tournaments pede siguro race to 8 na regular scoring eh kung slow starter player ka pa ung timing mo sa palo huli mo na na feel 

sana may mag organize atp style edi taasan ung fee para sulit ung binayad.matalo or manalo

fredcas,
don't worry, ilalabas ko ulit ung challenger circuit for next year. magiging 4 circuits in a year so every quarter tayo. basta lalaruin mo ung mga matches mo sa iba't ibang lugar. makikita mo kung mern improvement sa laro mo. pati ang mga gastos mo- court fee, ballboys and bola na assigned na i-provide mo.

[Ace]

availabililty of korts malamang yung problema.... tska usually tinatapos in 1 day yung tournament eh...

ako rin gusto ko best of 3

[LEO_56ers]

kasi kung race to 6 lang 1 setter bitin ung fee minsan P500 pinaka mababa na ung 300pesos kung matalo ka bye bye agad walang bawi tapos ung iba talagang tour dinadayo ung mga PTO tournaments pede siguro race to 8 na regular scoring eh kung slow starter player ka pa ung timing mo sa palo huli mo na na feel 

sana may mag organize atp style edi taasan ung fee para sulit ung binayad.matalo or manalo

Ok lang naman yun Fee .. Pag natalo ka.. Ibawi mo na lang sa Kain.. Karamihan naman ng Tourney ng
PTO may kasamang Food di ba... 

[smiley]

kasi kung race to 6 lang 1 setter bitin ung fee minsan P500 pinaka mababa na ung 300pesos kung matalo ka bye bye agad walang bawi tapos ung iba talagang tour dinadayo ung mga PTO tournaments pede siguro race to 8 na regular scoring eh kung slow starter player ka pa ung timing mo sa palo huli mo na na feel 

sana may mag organize atp style edi taasan ung fee para sulit ung binayad.matalo or manalo

Ok lang naman yun Fee .. Pag natalo ka.. Ibawi mo na lang sa Kain.. Karamihan naman ng Tourney ng
PTO may kasamang Food di ba... 

oo nga!, pero sabi nila mas mahirap daw lumunok at lagi mapait ang drinks pag galing sa talo! 

[hifromhenry]

how about race to 10 games (win by 2), with 5min rest every 10 games in addition to the usual changeover rest?

the 10-game set will be like 1.5 6-game set.  So, mas sulit sa tournament fee.  Even if you lose 0-10, it's like playing 2 sets.
still less time than best of 3 sets, and should be more manageable for both players and tournament officials.

just thinking out loud

[Ace]

Sa US tournaments meron silang loser's bracket.  Pag natalo ka sa first round dun ka bagsak which is good.  This means all players will have at least 2 matches... sulit bayad at pagod.

[FREDCAS]

at least malalaman mo kung gaano kalupit mental toughness mo, kung laging talo 

at masusubukan mo din kung paano ka makaka bawi sa second set, masarap manalo ng come from behind parang Ginebra HEHEHE

[reboj]

be it a 1 setter match,best of 3 sets, 1 day tournament or whole week tourney if you're having a bad day sa match matatalo ka talaga kahit anong klaseng set up ng tourney ang gawin 

OnT:

1.players availability ang number 1 concern kaya madalas 1 day tourney lang ang PTO.
2.court reservations napakhirap din makahanap specially panay weekend ang tourney.

[FREDCAS]

be it a 1 setter match,best of 3 sets, 1 day tournament or whole week tourney if you're having a bad day sa match matatalo ka talaga kahit anong klaseng set up ng tourney ang gawin 

OnT:

1.players availability ang number 1 concern kaya madalas 1 day tourney lang ang PTO.
2.court reservations napakhirap din makahanap specially panay weekend ang tourney.

tama kung bad day talaga pro lipad palo

[FREDCAS]

classic sample of the 3 setter is the upset of Djokovic vs. Nishikori (Basel Indoor)

2-6,7-6(4),6-0

[Tennis_Guy]

be it a 1 setter match,best of 3 sets, 1 day tournament or whole week tourney if you're having a bad day sa match matatalo ka talaga kahit anong klaseng set up ng tourney ang gawin 

OnT:

1.players availability ang number 1 concern kaya madalas 1 day tourney lang ang PTO.
2.court reservations napakhirap din makahanap specially panay weekend ang tourney.

tama kung bad day talaga pro lipad palo

or talagang mas magaling lang talaga yung kalaban... give credit where credit is due.

kahit 1 setter lang ang tournament remember that both you and your opponent are playing by the same set of rules and same set of conditions

[Darkwing]

One day tournament lang kasi kadalasan and a player have to play a maximum of 4 games if he reaches the finals. Pinaka konting participants na yun. Imagine how hard it would be for the players kung 3 setter pa?

Sa Club tournaments pwede yun at ginagawa namin dito since pwde sya sked ng two weekends.

[burosky]

One day tournament lang kasi kadalasan and a player have to play a maximum of 4 games if he reaches the finals. Pinaka konting participants na yun. Imagine how hard it would be for the players kung 3 setter pa?

Sa Club tournaments pwede yun at ginagawa namin dito since pwde sya sked ng two weekends.

Mahirap nga 'yon.  Since pinalitan na rin lang yung format, ano kaya kung sumubok ng ibang format para halos best of 3 sets pa rin.  Ginawa na namin ito sa isang tournament namin dati.  Okay naman ang feedback ng players.  Mas gusto nila ito kaysa Pro 8.  Normally, ang set ay first to 6 games with a 2 game lead then tie-break at 6-6.  Ang ginawa namin, instead of 6 games, 4 games lang.  Para mong sinabi na sa simula ng set ang score ay 2-2 kaagad.  Tapos kapag nag-third set, super tie-break.  Imbes na 7 point tie-break, 10 point tie-break.    Baka gumana ito.

[hifromhenry]

One day tournament lang kasi kadalasan and a player have to play a maximum of 4 games if he reaches the finals. Pinaka konting participants na yun. Imagine how hard it would be for the players kung 3 setter pa?

Sa Club tournaments pwede yun at ginagawa namin dito since pwde sya sked ng two weekends.

Mahirap nga 'yon.  Since pinalitan na rin lang yung format, ano kaya kung sumubok ng ibang format para halos best of 3 sets pa rin.  Ginawa na namin ito sa isang tournament namin dati.  Okay naman ang feedback ng players.  Mas gusto nila ito kaysa Pro 8.  Normally, ang set ay first to 6 games with a 2 game lead then tie-break at 6-6.  Ang ginawa namin, instead of 6 games, 4 games lang.  Para mong sinabi na sa simula ng set ang score ay 2-2 kaagad.  Tapos kapag nag-third set, super tie-break.  Imbes na 7 point tie-break, 10 point tie-break.    Baka gumana ito.

I like this, burosky.  Was gonna suggest a similar 4-game set .  If this works, there can be 1-day tourneys every weekend or so.  Or split into 2 half-days over saturday and sunday.

[burosky]

One day tournament lang kasi kadalasan and a player have to play a maximum of 4 games if he reaches the finals. Pinaka konting participants na yun. Imagine how hard it would be for the players kung 3 setter pa?

Sa Club tournaments pwede yun at ginagawa namin dito since pwde sya sked ng two weekends.

Mahirap nga 'yon.  Since pinalitan na rin lang yung format, ano kaya kung sumubok ng ibang format para halos best of 3 sets pa rin.  Ginawa na namin ito sa isang tournament namin dati.  Okay naman ang feedback ng players.  Mas gusto nila ito kaysa Pro 8.  Normally, ang set ay first to 6 games with a 2 game lead then tie-break at 6-6.  Ang ginawa namin, instead of 6 games, 4 games lang.  Para mong sinabi na sa simula ng set ang score ay 2-2 kaagad.  Tapos kapag nag-third set, super tie-break.  Imbes na 7 point tie-break, 10 point tie-break.    Baka gumana ito.

I like this, burosky.  Was gonna suggest a similar 4-game set .  If this works, there can be 1-day tourneys every weekend or so.  Or split into 2 half-days over saturday and sunday.

Kung gagawin ito, dapat gawin sa lahat ng tourneys na gustong mag-count ang result sa PTO ranking site na sisimulan mo.  Otherwise, hindi magiging valid ang results.  Isa sa mga paraan para mangyari ito ay gawing “sanctioned” ang tournament ng mga organizers by letting you know about their tournament.  On your part, you need to make sure na sundin nila yung format.  On their part, responsibility ng tournament organizer na mag-report ng score.

[hifromhenry]

One day tournament lang kasi kadalasan and a player have to play a maximum of 4 games if he reaches the finals. Pinaka konting participants na yun. Imagine how hard it would be for the players kung 3 setter pa?

Sa Club tournaments pwede yun at ginagawa namin dito since pwde sya sked ng two weekends.

Mahirap nga 'yon.  Since pinalitan na rin lang yung format, ano kaya kung sumubok ng ibang format para halos best of 3 sets pa rin.  Ginawa na namin ito sa isang tournament namin dati.  Okay naman ang feedback ng players.  Mas gusto nila ito kaysa Pro 8.  Normally, ang set ay first to 6 games with a 2 game lead then tie-break at 6-6.  Ang ginawa namin, instead of 6 games, 4 games lang.  Para mong sinabi na sa simula ng set ang score ay 2-2 kaagad.  Tapos kapag nag-third set, super tie-break.  Imbes na 7 point tie-break, 10 point tie-break.    Baka gumana ito.

I like this, burosky.  Was gonna suggest a similar 4-game set .  If this works, there can be 1-day tourneys every weekend or so.  Or split into 2 half-days over saturday and sunday.

Kung gagawin ito, dapat gawin sa lahat ng tourneys na gustong mag-count ang result sa PTO ranking site na sisimulan mo.  Otherwise, hindi magiging valid ang results.  Isa sa mga paraan para mangyari ito ay gawing “sanctioned” ang tournament ng mga organizers by letting you know about their tournament.  On your part, you need to make sure na sundin nila yung format.  On their part, responsibility ng tournament organizer na mag-report ng score.

Most likely the tourneys will adapt the same format anyways, since everyone seems to share the common problem of limited time.  But if some matches are still in the traditional 6-game set etc, it shouldn't make too much of a rating difference, for our practical purposes.  The system we're building can be used for all these formats .

I plan to get a list of all sanctioned tourneys (can anyone step up or let me know who is the best resource for this?), so that when TOs enter the scores, they only pick from the list of sanctioned events.   And yes, only TOs are will be allowed to enter scores (at least for now).  Reporting mistakes can be corrected easily.

[burosky]

Most likely the tourneys will adapt the same format anyways, since everyone seems to share the common problem of limited time.  But if some matches are still in the traditional 6-game set etc, it shouldn't make too much of a rating difference, for our practical purposes.  The system we're building can be used for all these formats .

I plan to get a list of all sanctioned tourneys (can anyone step up or let me know who is the best resource for this?), so that when TOs enter the scores, they only pick from the list of sanctioned events.   And yes, only TOs are will be allowed to enter scores (at least for now).  Reporting mistakes can be corrected easily.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make. 

I’m assuming the logic or algorithm you will use considers the actual set scores, not just the match result.  If so, the tourney format does make a difference that’s why all of them should be the same format.  What if someone wins with a score of 6-0, 6-0?  That will not be the same as someone winning 4-0, 4-0.  Same thing with a tourney that uses Pro 8 format.  How do you report that score?  If the logic or algorithm only considers the match result then that will not be an accurate calculation of the rating.

The reason why you want to “sanction” tournaments by making the TOs “register” their tournaments with you is so you don’t have to hunt down a list.  You are starting this from scratch so as tournaments are organized, if they want those to count towards the rating, they should register it with you so it gets sanctioned.  By doing so, they could also provide you with the person who will officially enter match results.

[hifromhenry]

I think you missed the point I was trying to make. 

I’m assuming the logic or algorithm you will use considers the actual set scores, not just the match result.  If so, the tourney format does make a difference that’s why all of them should be the same format.  What if someone wins with a score of 6-0, 6-0?  That will not be the same as someone winning 4-0, 4-0.  Same thing with a tourney that uses Pro 8 format.  How do you report that score?  If the logic or algorithm only considers the match result then that will not be an accurate calculation of the rating.

No, I didn't miss the point, sory to disappoint .  What I am proposing (and building) for now, is a score-keeping system (see my posts today).  I didn't say I am building a rating/ranking system (not yet), so you can drop that assumption.  I do favor a rating system, as I posted earlier last week.
This score-keeping system will be good (and necessary) for simply scorekeeping purposes, and for the rating/ranking system to be built later.  You can also drop your assumption that the system will only take the match results (win/loss).  It will take the game scores, and for that, a single system can take the score from multiple formats.  But like I said, for scorekeeping purposes, for now.

But let me obligue you and let's consider an example of what you're trying to point out (I think).  Let's say Juan won 3 matches, all in the 4-game best of 3 sets format.  Let's further say Juan lost 2 matches in the 6-game best of 3 set format.  And then here's Pedro who won 3 matches in the 6-game format, and lost 2 matches in the 4-game format.  So Juan and Pedro both have match records of 3 wins and 2 losses.  Assuming they're rated the same level, I'd say they are well-matched to play each other.  I think you might say maybe Juan is tougher, because he won in more longer matches?  That can be true, but I'd say not that much tougher that he'll beat Pedro easily.  Besides, there's not real-life data yet to support it.  That's why we want to record the scores no matter what format is used.

I hope all these made sense.

The reason why you want to “sanction” tournaments by making the TOs “register” their tournaments with you is so you don’t have to hunt down a list.  You are starting this from scratch so as tournaments are organized, if they want those to count towards the rating, they should register it with you so it gets sanctioned.  By doing so, they could also provide you with the person who will officially enter match results.

I do need to coordinate with TOs from the start.  I envision that later on, the official TOs will be able to created sanctioned tourneys in the system by themselves.  All in due time

[hifromhenry]

But let me obligue you and let's consider an example of what you're trying to point out (I think).  Let's say Juan won 3 matches, all in the 4-game best of 3 sets format.  Let's further say Juan lost 2 matches in the 6-game best of 3 set format.  And then here's Pedro who won 3 matches in the 6-game format, and lost 2 matches in the 4-game format.  So Juan and Pedro both have match records of 3 wins and 2 losses.  Assuming they're rated the same level, I'd say they are well-matched to play each other.  I think you might say maybe Juan is tougher, because he won in more longer matches?  That can be true, but I'd say not that much tougher that he'll beat Pedro easily.  Besides, there's not real-life data yet to support it.  That's why we want to record the scores no matter what format is used.

Oops, I think I got it mixed up a little here.  In this example, Pedro (not Juan) would seem tougher, cuz he won in more longer matches 

[burosky]

Ako pala ang naka-miss ng point.  Akala ko kasi rating system ang sisimulan mo.  Sorry, bro!

[smiley]

One day tournament lang kasi kadalasan and a player have to play a maximum of 4 games if he reaches the finals. Pinaka konting participants na yun. Imagine how hard it would be for the players kung 3 setter pa?

Sa Club tournaments pwede yun at ginagawa namin dito since pwde sya sked ng two weekends.

Mahirap nga 'yon.  Since pinalitan na rin lang yung format, ano kaya kung sumubok ng ibang format para halos best of 3 sets pa rin.  Ginawa na namin ito sa isang tournament namin dati.  Okay naman ang feedback ng players.  Mas gusto nila ito kaysa Pro 8.  Normally, ang set ay first to 6 games with a 2 game lead then tie-break at 6-6.  Ang ginawa namin, instead of 6 games, 4 games lang.  Para mong sinabi na sa simula ng set ang score ay 2-2 kaagad.  Tapos kapag nag-third set, super tie-break.  Imbes na 7 point tie-break, 10 point tie-break.    Baka gumana ito.

i also like the idea of a 4 game set, best of 3 sets and ung 3rd set- super tie break. tapos, no change over within the set. sa super tiebreak na lang din mern change over. also, pag 3-3 sa set, 1-7 tiebreak or regular game din.