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« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2011, 11:18:52 AM »


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« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2011, 01:00:05 PM »

I've always wondered how Borg could produce such a high RPM with that Donnay racket. When I was a junior and using that racket, it was too stiff to hit heavy topspins. Imagine with a string with no snap back qualities. Grabe siguro yung wrist action and also rotation and loading up phase ni Borg. What if Borg is at his prime today?

Would’ve been a heck of player, I think.  I got an old article on Borg that you might find interesting. Check your PM.
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« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2011, 01:09:10 PM »

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OML Old news? Please tell me that a january 2011 article is not old news!  An april 2010 study is actually more recent than your ITF 07 test. 
How could you even try to use an 07 test against a more recent test conducted by the same sources that you also use Cross(Sydney)

The article is new.  The gist of the article is old.  It has its roots in a 2004 Japanese invention of a string lubricant that supposedly makes the strings slippery, which Prof. Kawazoe was asked to test so that they can submit data to the ITF for product certification.  At around that time, players were switching to new generation poly strings en masse supposedly because of its spin-enhancing qualities.  Concerned that these strings might affect the integrity of the game, the ITF began testing strings’ effect on spin, particularly on poly strings.  That is what the ’07 tests were about.

Cross and Lindsey conducted similar tests 3 years later, in part for the USRSA and the TIA.  In my previous post regarding their tests, I provided additional information pertaining to the results of these tests which the article neglected to include.

I don’t disagree with the results of either the ITF or the Cross/Lindsey experiments.  They are what they are.  No question that polys do increase spin.  The question is, how much more spin? ITF says not enough to warrant a rule change. And in the Cross/Lindsey tests, the 20+% increase in clamped rackets is reduced by 30% in hand-held rackets.  In addition, they also included a caveat that the properties of the incoming ball has more influence on spin than the string itself.  Those are the facts.

So, from this overall perspective, the player has to decide whether a slight gain in spin (which is dependent on the incoming ball anyway) is significant enough for their game.   And, like I mentioned, the “new physics of tennis” article failed to mention the relationship of Nadal’s groundstrokes and customized racket to the spin he generates.

As far as Borg is concerned, this is what I stated:
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It would have been nice if the article also explained how Borg was able to generate heavy topspin using a tiny wood racket strung with gut at 80 lb., considering that his strings obviously didn’t have the snap back qualities of poly.

One thing that the poly and Borg’s woodie racket have in common is a stiff stringbed. Perhaps Borg had the right idea of how to increase spin long before polys became the rage.

How you would think that I’m implying Borg’s topspin as “equal to the modern era” is beyond me.  You seem to read too much into what I say, trying to find a meaning beyond what it actually means.

If there is mockery and name-calling going on, it certainly isn’t coming from me.  I don’t have a fondness for smileys either.
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« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2011, 03:56:54 PM »

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Cross and Lindsey conducted similar tests 3 years later, in part for the USRSA and the TIA.  In my previous post regarding their tests, I provided additional information pertaining to the results of these tests which the article neglected to include.

really I didn't see a link or any proof that it really came from their studies?  where did this additional information come from?  Are we to just disregard the article because you said so? 

Should we just take your word for it?  Just like the .7% data you came up with for the kblade?  Where's your computation? did you conduct your own studies?  Because none of your references tested with a kblade  Huh




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« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2011, 07:35:20 AM »

really I didn't see a link or any proof that it really came from their studies?  where did this additional information come from?  Are we to just disregard the article because you said so? 

Should we just take your word for it?  Just like the .7% data you came up with for the kblade?  Where's your computation? did you conduct your own studies?  Because none of your references tested with a kblade  Huh


I’m not asking anybody to disregard the article.  What I’m saying is that there are caveats involved and relevant details that the article didn’t mention.  In addition to those, we also have to factor in the player’s stroke and swing arc, racket speed, etc.  Filling in the missing info, I think, is important so that we may look upon this within the proper context and perspective.  It’s quite possible that someone, after reading an article like this, would go out and get their rackets strung with poly with the belief that it is an instant cure for spin generation, only to find out later that their strokes are really not conducive to extra spin or that the expected extra spin is not as devastating as the article alluded to (20% extra?).  And, let’s not forget the issues with potential arm problems associated with poly, as renald has pointed out.

Racket specs are what they are regardless of brand or model.  Scientists have done the hard work of analyzing the physics of a collision between a ball and a racket. We, tennis enthusiasts, get to enjoy the results without having to deal with the dizzying math.  If you’re as curious as I am regarding the technical aspects of the sport, there is no shortage of information out there:  membership to trade associations, trade shows, seminars, workshops, the ITF, technical publications, etc.  The majority of players could care less about technical intricacies; they just want to make sure that they have the right equipment in order to play their best.  They do, however, expect and depend upon their equipment handlers to have basic technical know-how to guide them toward a better game. 

The decision to take my word for it is your decision, or anyone else’s, for that matter.  We don’t have the habit of questioning our physicians about the medical histories and basis of their diagnoses, do we? If there are doubts, we simply seek a second or third medical opinion. Lest I get misunderstood again, I am not claiming to be a “physician”.  I’m just a grumpy, old guy who’s invested a lot of time dealing with these things. If someone thinks that makes me some kind of an expert, I’d thank them for their confidence. I would just call myself a capable racket technician, just like renald and other members who are involved in equipment maintenance.
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« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2011, 01:10:41 AM »

guys thanks sa information na binigay niyo atleast meron me bago nalaman :)about rackets and strings
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« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2011, 02:13:07 AM »

pumunta ako sa parmasya wala daw silang gamot sa nosebleed.. Shocked Shocked Grin
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« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2011, 10:42:17 PM »

just read some parts and thought that it would be better if i stay out of this ahaha. ikamamatay ko paguusap ninyo haha
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