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« on: May 27, 2010, 09:55:05 PM »

anu difference ng mga hardhitters s mga ibang player.. saka anu twag s mga mahina pumalo lol... soft hitters?
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2010, 02:01:11 AM »

Medyo kasi, mali ang tanong mo eh. Di ka nagcocompare ng player. Palo ang kinocompare mo. Lahat ng player may malakas na palo at may mahinang palo. Sa tennis ang taong mas maraming napasok na bola sa loob ng linya mananalo.
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2010, 09:33:43 AM »

ask the pros alam nila yan
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2010, 12:08:33 PM »

 Huh Huh Huh
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2010, 12:42:02 PM »

constant hard hitter cguro pro or trainor ang tawag. yung constant balik balik na mahina common club player. hahaha.
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2010, 12:50:12 PM »

anu difference ng mga hardhitters s mga ibang player.. saka anu twag s mga mahina pumalo lol... soft hitters?

Madami, dinkers, junkballers etc.

Ang pagkakaiba feeling nila malakas sila pumalo hanggang sa makatapat sila ng mas malakas pumalo sa kanila at dun sila matataohan na hindi parin sila malakas pumalo gaya ng pantasya nila. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2010, 01:33:48 PM »

anu difference ng mga hardhitters s mga ibang player.. saka anu twag s mga mahina pumalo lol... soft hitters?

para sakin, hardhitters yung wala masyadong angle, tsaka intead of vollying it, bibirahin pa nila lalo, bottom line is, when they play tennis, they want to send the ball to kingdom come  Grin Grin Grin, antay natin mga experts bro, Wink Wink Wink
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2010, 02:11:23 PM »

anu difference ng mga hardhitters s mga ibang player.. saka anu twag s mga mahina pumalo lol... soft hitters?

Madami, dinkers, junkballers etc.

Ang pagkakaiba feeling nila malakas sila pumalo hanggang sa makatapat sila ng mas malakas pumalo sa kanila at dun sila matataohan na hindi parin sila malakas pumalo gaya ng pantasya nila. Wink

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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2010, 03:41:12 PM »

check out this old thread pare... maybe you will have ur answers here

http://www.pinoytennisonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,978.0.html

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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2010, 05:21:07 PM »

Don't be a hardhitter.  Just play percentage tennis.
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2010, 07:38:51 PM »

Wow its ironic!

Unfortunately, a lot of players favor hard hitters.

If you play percentage tennis, sasabihin sayo balik-balik lang yan, lobo-lobo happy birthday. Boring.

Bottom line, develop the game that works for u.


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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2010, 08:03:32 PM »

Wow its ironic!

Unfortunately, a lot of players favor hard hitters.

If you play percentage tennis, sasabihin sayo balik-balik lang yan, lobo-lobo happy birthday. Boring.

Bottom line, develop the game that works for u.


i'm afraid i have to concur to this insight. cguro dapat i-mix it up natin yung style. mahirap talaga ang tennis tsk tsk...

for others who are naturally athletic and born for tennis... nakakainggit kyo hehe
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2010, 08:16:46 PM »

Let's admit it, mas maganda naman talaga panoorin yung mga players na may booming ground strokes. Besides kahit sa pros wala ka naman makikitang balik-balik lang at lobo lobo ang laro.  Kung may junkballer man, e iisa nya siguro and hindi rin sya hinahangaan gaya ng mga power players.

Mas masasabi mo magaling yung player kung ang style of play nya ay comparable to the pros.
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2010, 08:24:50 PM »

Mas maganda sigurong tanong yung.... Ano ang tawag sa hardhitter na hindi manalo nalo sa mahina pumalo Huh

Ako paniwala ko strategic placement and consistency will always win against hitting hard with no purpose   
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2010, 08:53:14 PM »

Mas maganda sigurong tanong yung.... Ano ang tawag sa hardhitter na hindi manalo nalo sa mahina pumalo Huh

Ako paniwala ko strategic placement and consistency will always win against hitting hard with no purpose   

Kung tatanongin mo yung mga nanonood ang tawag dun ay "malas lang" Grin Grin

But i agree a more consistent player will more often than not win against a hard hitter who just spays his ball allover the place.
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2010, 11:12:02 PM »

Mas maganda sigurong tanong yung.... Ano ang tawag sa hardhitter na hindi manalo nalo sa mahina pumalo Huh
  

ouch!  Grin Grin Wink

pwedeng hardhitter with no control or consistency?!
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2010, 11:53:51 PM »

pagtatawanan lang yan ni lendl. hahaha!
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2010, 01:17:20 PM »

anu un ? bluff mga palo ng mga hardhitters?
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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2010, 09:45:54 PM »


    Ano ang tawag sa hardhitter na hindi manalo nalo ......

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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2010, 09:56:09 PM »

e ANO  nman ang tawag sa taong puro NET  ang palo? hehehe!! ung di umaabot s kbila.. AS IN NET LGI... "nETTER" Grin Grin laugh laugh
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    Ano ang tawag sa hardhitter na hindi manalo nalo ......

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nice one Sir Cooljack!  Grin Grin Grin
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    Ano ang tawag sa hardhitter na hindi manalo nalo ......

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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2010, 12:19:48 AM »

Let's admit it, mas maganda naman talaga panoorin yung mga players na may booming ground strokes. Besides kahit sa pros wala ka naman makikitang balik-balik lang at lobo lobo ang laro.  Kung may junkballer man, e iisa nya siguro and hindi rin sya hinahangaan gaya ng mga power players.

Mas masasabi mo magaling yung player kung ang style of play nya ay comparable to the pros.

In essence, lobo lobo at balik balik ang laro ni Nadal. Diyan sya nagsimula maglaro eh. Ngaun since pro na sya at mlakas na ktawan nya, syempre nadadagdagan ng pace at mas matulis bola nya. Pero ung essence ng laro nya ganun parin, switching from defense to offense in an instant.
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2010, 12:27:18 PM »

Let's admit it, mas maganda naman talaga panoorin yung mga players na may booming ground strokes. Besides kahit sa pros wala ka naman makikitang balik-balik lang at lobo lobo ang laro.  Kung may junkballer man, e iisa nya siguro and hindi rin sya hinahangaan gaya ng mga power players.

Mas masasabi mo magaling yung player kung ang style of play nya ay comparable to the pros.

In essence, lobo lobo at balik balik ang laro ni Nadal. Diyan sya nagsimula maglaro eh. Ngaun since pro na sya at mlakas na ktawan nya, syempre nadadagdagan ng pace at mas matulis bola nya. Pero ung essence ng laro nya ganun parin, switching from defense to offense in an instant.

Are you kidding me? Laro ni Nadal lobo lobo? The spin that he imparts on the ball is way too strong that anyone who tries to copy it will have a hard time replicating it. I'm guessing it took him years to master his shots. His game is not derived from lobo and balik but from power and speed.

And if in case your assumption is true then this is probably the case why he wasn't still in the pros then and only when he developed power and pace in his shot was he able to play at a higher level. Hence gumaling sya.
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2010, 12:48:23 PM »

Let's admit it, mas maganda naman talaga panoorin yung mga players na may booming ground strokes. Besides kahit sa pros wala ka naman makikitang balik-balik lang at lobo lobo ang laro.  Kung may junkballer man, e iisa nya siguro and hindi rin sya hinahangaan gaya ng mga power players.

Mas masasabi mo magaling yung player kung ang style of play nya ay comparable to the pros.

In essence, lobo lobo at balik balik ang laro ni Nadal. Diyan sya nagsimula maglaro eh. Ngaun since pro na sya at mlakas na ktawan nya, syempre nadadagdagan ng pace at mas matulis bola nya. Pero ung essence ng laro nya ganun parin, switching from defense to offense in an instant.

Are you kidding me? Laro ni Nadal lobo lobo? The spin that he imparts on the ball is way too strong that anyone who tries to copy it will have a hard time replicating it. I'm guessing it took him years to master his shots. His game is not derived from lobo and balik but from power and speed.

And if in case your assumption is true then this is probably the case why he wasn't still in the pros then and only when he developed power and pace in his shot was he able to play at a higher level. Hence gumaling sya.
hindi lobo ang tira ni Nadal but pwede natin sabihing high ball with strong top spin. para sakin patok ang palo ni Nadal lalo na sa clay. good for baseline rallys sa clay court.
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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2010, 10:03:23 PM »

Let's admit it, mas maganda naman talaga panoorin yung mga players na may booming ground strokes. Besides kahit sa pros wala ka naman makikitang balik-balik lang at lobo lobo ang laro.  Kung may junkballer man, e iisa nya siguro and hindi rin sya hinahangaan gaya ng mga power players.

Mas masasabi mo magaling yung player kung ang style of play nya ay comparable to the pros.

In essence, lobo lobo at balik balik ang laro ni Nadal. Diyan sya nagsimula maglaro eh. Ngaun since pro na sya at mlakas na ktawan nya, syempre nadadagdagan ng pace at mas matulis bola nya. Pero ung essence ng laro nya ganun parin, switching from defense to offense in an instant.

Are you kidding me? Laro ni Nadal lobo lobo? The spin that he imparts on the ball is way too strong that anyone who tries to copy it will have a hard time replicating it. I'm guessing it took him years to master his shots. His game is not derived from lobo and balik but from power and speed.

And if in case your assumption is true then this is probably the case why he wasn't still in the pros then and only when he developed power and pace in his shot was he able to play at a higher level. Hence gumaling sya.
hindi lobo ang tira ni Nadal but pwede natin sabihing high ball with strong top spin. para sakin patok ang palo ni Nadal lalo na sa clay. good for baseline rallys sa clay court.
aken high topspin balls pero d gnun kasing lakas ng bola ni nadal... sa kanya ma topspin na tapos deep na mataas tapos mabilis pa... iba tlga mnga pro ahaha
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« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2010, 01:28:46 AM »

Let's admit it, mas maganda naman talaga panoorin yung mga players na may booming ground strokes. Besides kahit sa pros wala ka naman makikitang balik-balik lang at lobo lobo ang laro.  Kung may junkballer man, e iisa nya siguro and hindi rin sya hinahangaan gaya ng mga power players.

Mas masasabi mo magaling yung player kung ang style of play nya ay comparable to the pros.

In essence, lobo lobo at balik balik ang laro ni Nadal. Diyan sya nagsimula maglaro eh. Ngaun since pro na sya at mlakas na ktawan nya, syempre nadadagdagan ng pace at mas matulis bola nya. Pero ung essence ng laro nya ganun parin, switching from defense to offense in an instant.

Are you kidding me? Laro ni Nadal lobo lobo? The spin that he imparts on the ball is way too strong that anyone who tries to copy it will have a hard time replicating it. I'm guessing it took him years to master his shots. His game is not derived from lobo and balik but from power and speed.

And if in case your assumption is true then this is probably the case why he wasn't still in the pros then and only when he developed power and pace in his shot was he able to play at a higher level. Hence gumaling sya.

Pag makita nyo po kasi the way he plays, his mindset, and his pure consistency, ganun nga po tlga ang sinimulan ng laro nya simula bata sya. Nung bata sya, kaya nagchampion sya sa Orange Bowl 12 and under nung 9 palang sya is because lobo lobo laro nya. When you start from that, you already have the mindset of a counterpuncher. Then he began to develop heavy spin as he grew older and more powerful.

If you look at the pros, everyone would simply say one thing: "Malakas sila pumalo" It is hard to see the intangibles, the technicalities, and the pure essences of each stroke at this level and speed of the game. But if you look at Rafa's game, you will see the foundations.

1. In essence, Nadal's ball is lobo and balik. That is where heavy spin comes in. Essentially, ginagawa ni Nadal binibira nya ang bola PATAAS para napakalalim ang depth ng bola para effective ang heavy spin nya, kasi if you see the amount of spin he imparts on the ball, kung normal trajectory lng yan, papatak yan sa service box at lalapitan lng ng kalaban. Shortball = Kill in the pro level.

2. What I mean by "balik" is his consistency. In the club level, pag may taong tinatawag na "balik balik maglaro", first thing that comes to mind is mahina pumalo. In the pro level, ang larong balik balik ay makikita mo in three examples: Lleyton Hewitt, Gilles Simon and Rafa Nadal. Why? It's because they pick good targets, how they hit the ball and how they believe they can return every single ball. Why is Nadal's ball so consistent, yet powerful? It's because all his balls have such heavy spin that they go down into the court as soon as they reach the other side of the net, and because he always goes for easy targets. You will NEVER see him go down the line when he is far behind the baseline and has a choice to make a consistent, easy crosscourt shot.

3. Yun ang rason kung bakit napakagaling sya sa clay. The consistency. The spin. The athleticism. The never say die mentality. And that is why he beat PAT CASH when he was only 14. That is why he turned pro at 14. That is why he won his first ATP match when he was 14.
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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2010, 06:56:27 AM »

mukhang sapul ako dito ah. naging sakit ko din to and paminsan minsan, bumabalik. eto yung tinatawag kong "gigil" sa bola. giving more power to the ball without regard for consistency. yung parang gusto mo kagad i-kill yung bola kaya nilalagyan mo ng power kahit hindi pa tamang panahon para lagyan sya ng power. in tennis, hindi lahat ng bola na dadating sayo eh pwede mo bigyan ng kill shot. most of the time, you have to set the play or rally a bit tapos pag nabigyan ka ng opportunity that's when you can deliver your kill shot.
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2010, 09:57:38 PM »

pero hangang pwede deep shots diba.? saka hangang pwede wag ka magbibigay ng mahina... minsan kc sa game kapag nag umpisa kana magbigay ng mahihina biglang magkakaconfidence yung kalaban... lalo na sa di kapayatan na katulad ko... dapat ko talaga hatawin para kapag ka lipat di basta basta macontrol na di ako maplacing ....
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2010, 04:52:20 PM »

pero hangang pwede deep shots diba.? saka hangang pwede wag ka magbibigay ng mahina... minsan kc sa game kapag nag umpisa kana magbigay ng mahihina biglang magkakaconfidence yung kalaban... lalo na sa di kapayatan na katulad ko... dapat ko talaga hatawin para kapag ka lipat di basta basta macontrol na di ako maplacing ....


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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2010, 09:10:16 PM »

in my personal view, this is generally true. but for serious and professional players, it is harder to return a ball if it was hit hard or with spin by the opponent, thus the need to put power/spin on the ball. the challenge is to be consistent with your power shots and this is what makes the great players stand-out from the other pro players. they're more consistent with their power shots and they're able to return their opponents power shots. so for me, it is an advantage to have power shots as long as you can keep it falling inside the court.  Wink

pero hangang pwede deep shots diba.? saka hangang pwede wag ka magbibigay ng mahina... minsan kc sa game kapag nag umpisa kana magbigay ng mahihina biglang magkakaconfidence yung kalaban... lalo na sa di kapayatan na katulad ko... dapat ko talaga hatawin para kapag ka lipat di basta basta macontrol na di ako maplacing ....


In tennis, you never really have to hit hard. Just hit it above the net, inside the court more than your opponent. If you hit more balls in the line, you'll win. If you don't, you lose.
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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2010, 02:12:48 AM »

in my personal view, this is generally true. but for serious and professional players, it is harder to return a ball if it was hit hard or with spin by the opponent, thus the need to put power/spin on the ball. the challenge is to be consistent with your power shots and this is what makes the great players stand-out from the other pro players. they're more consistent with their power shots and they're able to return their opponents power shots. so for me, it is an advantage to have power shots as long as you can keep it falling inside the court.  Wink

pero hangang pwede deep shots diba.? saka hangang pwede wag ka magbibigay ng mahina... minsan kc sa game kapag nag umpisa kana magbigay ng mahihina biglang magkakaconfidence yung kalaban... lalo na sa di kapayatan na katulad ko... dapat ko talaga hatawin para kapag ka lipat di basta basta macontrol na di ako maplacing ....


In tennis, you never really have to hit hard. Just hit it above the net, inside the court more than your opponent. If you hit more balls in the line, you'll win. If you don't, you lose.

parang AGASSI tinutukoy mo a. hehe.
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« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2010, 06:49:09 AM »

in my personal view, this is generally true. but for serious and professional players, it is harder to return a ball if it was hit hard or with spin by the opponent, thus the need to put power/spin on the ball. the challenge is to be consistent with your power shots and this is what makes the great players stand-out from the other pro players. they're more consistent with their power shots and they're able to return their opponents power shots. so for me, it is an advantage to have power shots as long as you can keep it falling inside the court.  Wink

pero hangang pwede deep shots diba.? saka hangang pwede wag ka magbibigay ng mahina... minsan kc sa game kapag nag umpisa kana magbigay ng mahihina biglang magkakaconfidence yung kalaban... lalo na sa di kapayatan na katulad ko... dapat ko talaga hatawin para kapag ka lipat di basta basta macontrol na di ako maplacing ....


In tennis, you never really have to hit hard. Just hit it above the net, inside the court more than your opponent. If you hit more balls in the line, you'll win. If you don't, you lose.

parang AGASSI tinutukoy mo a. hehe.
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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2010, 12:59:00 PM »

para satin pre, si idol Agassi ang tinutukoy ko. it may be different sa iba. hehhee!

in my personal view, this is generally true. but for serious and professional players, it is harder to return a ball if it was hit hard or with spin by the opponent, thus the need to put power/spin on the ball. the challenge is to be consistent with your power shots and this is what makes the great players stand-out from the other pro players. they're more consistent with their power shots and they're able to return their opponents power shots. so for me, it is an advantage to have power shots as long as you can keep it falling inside the court.  Wink

pero hangang pwede deep shots diba.? saka hangang pwede wag ka magbibigay ng mahina... minsan kc sa game kapag nag umpisa kana magbigay ng mahihina biglang magkakaconfidence yung kalaban... lalo na sa di kapayatan na katulad ko... dapat ko talaga hatawin para kapag ka lipat di basta basta macontrol na di ako maplacing ....


In tennis, you never really have to hit hard. Just hit it above the net, inside the court more than your opponent. If you hit more balls in the line, you'll win. If you don't, you lose.

parang AGASSI tinutukoy mo a. hehe.
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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2010, 10:07:37 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2010, 10:48:50 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2010, 12:53:13 AM »

para satin pre, si idol Agassi ang tinutukoy ko. it may be different sa iba. hehhee!

in my personal view, this is generally true. but for serious and professional players, it is harder to return a ball if it was hit hard or with spin by the opponent, thus the need to put power/spin on the ball. the challenge is to be consistent with your power shots and this is what makes the great players stand-out from the other pro players. they're more consistent with their power shots and they're able to return their opponents power shots. so for me, it is an advantage to have power shots as long as you can keep it falling inside the court.  Wink

pero hangang pwede deep shots diba.? saka hangang pwede wag ka magbibigay ng mahina... minsan kc sa game kapag nag umpisa kana magbigay ng mahihina biglang magkakaconfidence yung kalaban... lalo na sa di kapayatan na katulad ko... dapat ko talaga hatawin para kapag ka lipat di basta basta macontrol na di ako maplacing ....


In tennis, you never really have to hit hard. Just hit it above the net, inside the court more than your opponent. If you hit more balls in the line, you'll win. If you don't, you lose.

parang AGASSI tinutukoy mo a. hehe.

Generally, ganun po un. But thinking about all the power and such complicates tennis. Yes, power is needed to put pressure on your opponent and finish points, but it isn't what makes professionals great. If you look at junior tennis and compare it with men's tennis, you may think it's a totally different ball game. But there's a reason why Rafael Nadal beat Pat Cash when Rafa was only 14 years old. Si Pat Cash binabanatan nya ung bola whenever he can, while Rafa nilolobo lobohan lng nya, high and deep with heavy spin. Sa patagalan, talo si Cash 3rd set.

Generally, at the highest level, you should essentially hit all balls with the same swing speed. But you should hit it differently depending on your opponent's position, your position, and the ball's position in the court. If you're far behind the baseline, hit it high and deep cross-court. If you're inside the baseline, pero mababa ung bola, ilayo mo ng onti ung bola sa kalaban mo. If the ball is high and floating and you're inside the baseline, hit it hard and flat. Shot selection is what makes or breaks players, no matter what level they are playing. Even in the highest level, you will NEVER see a pro hit hard and flat trying to hit winners from way behind the baseline. As how coaches say it, "It's a really stupid thing to do."
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« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2010, 01:54:17 AM »

o ano na SA? ano say mo?  laugh laugh laugh laugh
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« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2010, 02:11:25 AM »

Hehehe! eto masasabi ko Mikki..

@Babolat3216

correct me if I'm wrong but I think your main point is shot selection? I absolutely agree that shot selection is one of the important things to consider to define a great player but I believe that's another topic for discussion given that we're talking about hardhitting or putting power in our shots. Please let us not mistake Nadal's topspin shots to have less power. We may have different definitions of hardhitters but for our discussion's sake, I'd like to define hardhitters as players who put power in their stroke. Power doesn't only apply to deep and flat shots but would also apply to power spin shots like that of Nadal's forehand. Maybe Nadal has his own topspin forehand but I assure you that he hits the ball hard and with power. It may not look like a fast ball but the power that Nadal applies to the ball is transferred on the spin of the ball. Hindi "lobo lobo" ang palo ni Nadal, meron lang itong looping motion pero sobrang kargado ng topspin ang bola nito. Kaya para sakin, Nadal is not a "softhitter" just because his ball has a looping motion. He is a hardhitter or more like a hardspinner. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree with you on your point regarding shot selection and yes, it's one of the things that measure a great player but going back to the topic on hardhitters, If you don't hit the ball hard at pro level, you don't stand a chance.

@Miks - oks na ba Miks? hehehe! kaw talaga!  Tongue
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« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2010, 04:59:56 AM »

The amount of ball speed in a flat shot or ball spin in a topspin shot is directly proportional to swingspeed.  The faster you swing (thus, the harder you hit), the more force (or power) you impart on the ball. The only question is whether that same power is directed horizontally as in a flat stroke or vertically as in a topspin stroke.

Unfortunately, the title of this thread is rather ambiguous, so the stupid answer to this question is:

Ang difference ng hardhitters sa iba is that hardhitters hit hard.

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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2010, 05:27:11 AM »

hehehehehe! your right racketwiz, the kind of answer you get depends on the kind of question you ask...  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy 

The amount of ball speed in a flat shot or ball spin in a topspin shot is directly proportional to swingspeed.  The faster you swing (thus, the harder you hit), the more force (or power) you impart on the ball. The only question is whether that same power is directed horizontally as in a flat stroke or vertically as in a topspin stroke.

Unfortunately, the title of this thread is rather ambiguous, so the stupid answer to this question is:

Ang difference ng hardhitters sa iba is that hardhitters hit hard.


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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2010, 01:11:37 PM »

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end of discussion....

ano ang pagkakaiba ng hardhitters sa iba?

a: depende sa tumitingin. meron kasi may nagsasabing hardhitter si player 1 tapos nung nakita or nakalaban na ni player 2 "hard hitter na ba yan?" hahahahaha!
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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2010, 01:32:08 PM »

They hit hard and because of too much power they get a tennis elbow if they don't have execute their swing properly
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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2010, 02:00:36 PM »

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« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2010, 03:27:47 PM »

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end of discussion....

ano ang pagkakaiba ng hardhitters sa iba?

a: depende sa tumitingin. meron kasi may nagsasabing hardhitter si player 1 tapos nung nakita or nakalaban na ni player 2 "hard hitter na ba yan?" hahahahaha!

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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2010, 05:13:01 PM »

a yun na nga. sorry sir tagal na nyan di ko naalala na meron palang post nyan. basta yun na yun. pareho tyo ng naisip.  Kiss
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« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2010, 10:38:21 PM »

Hehehe! eto masasabi ko Mikki..

@Babolat3216

correct me if I'm wrong but I think your main point is shot selection? I absolutely agree that shot selection is one of the important things to consider to define a great player but I believe that's another topic for discussion given that we're talking about hardhitting or putting power in our shots. Please let us not mistake Nadal's topspin shots to have less power. We may have different definitions of hardhitters but for our discussion's sake, I'd like to define hardhitters as players who put power in their stroke. Power doesn't only apply to deep and flat shots but would also apply to power spin shots like that of Nadal's forehand. Maybe Nadal has his own topspin forehand but I assure you that he hits the ball hard and with power. It may not look like a fast ball but the power that Nadal applies to the ball is transferred on the spin of the ball. Hindi "lobo lobo" ang palo ni Nadal, meron lang itong looping motion pero sobrang kargado ng topspin ang bola nito. Kaya para sakin, Nadal is not a "softhitter" just because his ball has a looping motion. He is a hardhitter or more like a hardspinner. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree with you on your point regarding shot selection and yes, it's one of the things that measure a great player but going back to the topic on hardhitters, If you don't hit the ball hard at pro level, you don't stand a chance.

@Miks - oks na ba Miks? hehehe! kaw talaga!  Tongue

I understand. But I was talking about Rafa's strokes as a junior, and the strokes of us juniors as well. Nung junior pa si Nadal, he was one of the weaker-hitting players. Dinadaan nya lahat sa balik-balik. Essentially ang offensive tactic nya, lolobo-lobohan nya ang kalaban tapos pag umikli babanatan nya at tatapusin sa net. Eventually, as a pro, he was able to develop his heavy topspin shots with better physique. On the tour, he's pretty much the hardest hitting pro there is. But at heart, if you look at how he plays, ganun parin ang laro nya. Binibira nya pataas ang bola, tapos babagsak nlang na parang bato dahil sa heavy spin. In essence, lobo-lobo parin ang laro nya hanggang ngaun. Sobrang lakas nga lng ng lobo nya.

If we look back at the 4 main playing styles:

1. All-Court Players
2. Counterpunchers
3. Aggressive Baseliners
4. Serve and Volleyers

Hard-hitters are usually classified under the Aggressive Baseliners. Mainly Andre Agassi, Fernando Verdasco, Fernando Gonzalez etc. Sila ung mga tipong bibira sa sulok ng walang pakealam kung magerror o nde. Rafa's playing style is a Counterpuncher. He knows how to take care of the ball. He hits hard, yes, but he isn't what you would call a hard-hitter, e.g. he doesn't go for outrageous flat winners down the line out of position.

And remember, you never really have to hit hard to win in the game of tennis, in the junior, collegiate and even at the pro level. Smiley
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