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[mikki_blinkme]

madalas ginagawa ko to na medyo loose ang grip chaka tapat lang no racket movement. yung iba sabi kelangan may konting slice medyo hirap ako pag may underspin minsan humahaba kaya nasasalo lang or minsan pop up.

lalo na sa half volley drop.

tips dyan or drills para maging consistent lalo na sa mga angles. or any basic drills para dito?

[Francis]

Here is a drill that may help:
Video from Brent Abel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6klOmUvUjy0

[skywalker_1701]

Here is a drill that may help.  This is a drill for serve and volleyers or attacking players:

1. The first part of the drill is simple: If you are a serve and volleyer, serve, run and touch the net.  If you are an attacker, hit your groundstroke, run and touch the net.  This will get you in the habit of closing in on the net to hit your first volley.

2. The second part of the drill is to place arrows (or other flat objects) on the court, one at the "T" of the service box and three a couple of feet inside of that (one in the middle and one on each side).  Hit a serve (or a groundstroke) and move in towards the first arrow.  When you reach it, slow down to determine the height, speed, direction and spin of the ball.  Simultaneously, move towards the second arrow to complete the volley.

3. Repeat this drill during your practice sessions and apply it to actual play.

[mikki_blinkme]

mr sky... galing kay Nick Bolliettieri ata yan a. hehe. 

[skywalker_1701]

Yes mikki,

This is his article from the January 2009 issue of the Australian Tennis Magazine.

Cheers mate! 

[mikki_blinkme]

cheers mayt!

[mikki_blinkme]

kaya naman kaso sa backhand drop volley sablay ako hehe. sa forehand side oks lang. pag topspinner kalaban tapat lang with soft-hands ayun automatic underspin na yun. 

[mirage]

madalas ginagawa ko to na medyo loose ang grip chaka tapat lang no racket movement. yung iba sabi kelangan may konting slice medyo hirap ako pag may underspin minsan humahaba kaya nasasalo lang or minsan pop up.

lalo na sa half volley drop.

tips dyan or drills para maging consistent lalo na sa mga angles. or any basic drills para dito?

nde ko na matandaan kung saan ko nabasa ung article pro pag practice nito hagis mo ung bola tapos catch it with your racket w/o bouncing or minimal bounce lang..

[burosky]

A lot of times you will hear people say use "soft" hands or soften your hands to absorb the power.  The question then is how do you teach soft hands?   Here's something to try to get a feel for soft hands.  Have someone feed balls to you from the baseline.  Stand somewhere between the service line and net.  At first, hit with your usual volleys.  After a few balls, start "softening" your hands by making a slight change in your grip.  Instead of gripping with all your fingers, only grip the racket with your thumb, middle and ring finger.  Don't use your pointer and pinky.  With this grip, hit your volleys with your usual motion.  You will notice that your grip is weaker no matter how hard you grip it.  When your racket makes contact with the ball you will notice a considerable racket deflection.  This deflection is what will absorb the power of the incoming ball.  This will allow you to hit the drop volley.  You can adjust how hard the ball goes over the net by how hard you grip the racket.

By the way, you can also use this grip on your ground strokes to get the feel for "whipping" the racket.  Just use your normal grip but again, don't use your pointer and pinky.  Grip the racket just hard enough so you don't let go.  Sorry, I haven't figured out a way to simulate the same feel for two handed backhand or forehand strokes.

I haven't tried this for serves but I would imagine it would also work.

[fatso25]

paborito ito ng tatay ko. haha. bibigyan niya ang kalaban ng napaka habang forehand at biglang mag rush sa net for a drop volley. hanep. 

[Darkwing]

I've noticed that it's easier for me to hit drop volleys after I've learned to hit strong, power volleys.

Madali nalang landiin yung bola kung kayang kaya mong lakasan.

[LitoGarcia]

Tawag sa amin dito eh muscle control.... mapapa uhhh at ahhh ka pa....

[mikki_blinkme]

favorite shot ko to kaso minsan napapahaba nagiging floaters. 

[andok17]

to malimit ko gawin kasi sala ang tama ng bola sa raketa ko lol

[fatso25]

Here is a drill that may help.  This is a drill for serve and volleyers or attacking players:

1. The first part of the drill is simple: If you are a serve and volleyer, serve, run and touch the net.  If you are an attacker, hit your groundstroke, run and touch the net.  This will get you in the habit of closing in on the net to hit your first volley.

2. The second part of the drill is to place arrows (or other flat objects) on the court, one at the "T" of the service box and three a couple of feet inside of that (one in the middle and one on each side).  Hit a serve (or a groundstroke) and move in towards the first arrow.  When you reach it, slow down to determine the height, speed, direction and spin of the ball.  Simultaneously, move towards the second arrow to complete the volley.

3. Repeat this drill during your practice sessions and apply it to actual play.

Nice one!

[Darkwing]

I remember USPTA Teaching Pro Ted Sayrahder told us once during the coaches workshop to master and volley first with power instead of going for those slice drop volleys at once.

Mikki, so my question is, Have you learned to volley with power?

[mikki_blinkme]

I remember USPTA Teaching Pro Ted Sayrahder told us once during the coaches workshop to master and volley first with power instead of going for those slice drop volleys at once.

Mikki, so my question is, Have you learned to volley with power?

nope not yet. pero yung tita ko from states may coach sya dun uspta teaching pro din and yung tita ko ay member ng usta. sabi sa kanya kahit anong playing level dapat matry mo lahat ng shots as much as possible as well as style of play.

pero sakin kung di ko pa gagawin drop volleys ngyn baka after 20 years ko pa masubukan yan. 

[Darkwing]

I remember USPTA Teaching Pro Ted Sayrahder told us once during the coaches workshop to master and volley first with power instead of going for those slice drop volleys at once.

Mikki, so my question is, Have you learned to volley with power?

nope not yet. pero yung tita ko from states may coach sya dun uspta teaching pro din and yung tita ko ay member ng usta. sabi sa kanya kahit anong playing level dapat matry mo lahat ng shots as much as possible as well as style of play.

pero sakin kung di ko pa gagawin drop volleys ngyn baka after 20 years ko pa masubukan yan. 

Greetings Miks:

If your Tita is a member of the USTA then alam nya tiyak yung tinuturo nila ay may "progression" Whether it be the forehand, backhand, serve, volley etc. Yes you can try try all the shots if you want but if you really want to be good at it, first master the basics and you have to go through the whole progression.

Natanong ko lang naman. It is still up to you kung ano gusto mo gawin sa game mo. I'm just sharing what was taught to us. 

[burosky]

Talagang may progression sa pagturo.  Para mo na rin sinabing bago ka mag College kailangan mo muna mag elementary tapos high school.  Maraming USPTA na magsasabi nito.  Isa ito sa mga concepts na nasa manual ng USPTA.  Hindi ko ito kinokontra pero para sa akin, depende lahat sa tinuturuan ko kung ano ang akma para sa kanya.  Halimbawa mo, ano ba ang dapat na maunang matutunan?  Sa forehand, backhand at server, una ba ang flat o top spin?  Sa palagay ko depende sa estudyante yan.

Kahit na top spin ang natural na tira ko, hindi ko ito tinutulak sa tinuturuan ko.  Ang ginagawa ko, lalo na sa beginner, inoobserbahan ko kung ano ang natural swing and then from there I make tweaks to the swing to get the results.  May mga tao na natural ang top spin dahil nagsisimula sila ng swing mula sa baba pataas kaya normal na may hagod sa bola.  Meron namang level sa bola ang natural na swing kaya flat ang bola.  Kapag nakita ko na ang natural na swing, inaayos ko na lang yung grip, point of contact at follow-through.  Sa apat na elemento ng stroke - grip, swing path, point of contact and follow-through, para sa akin, mas madaling ayusin ang grip, point of contact at follow-through kesa sa swing path.

Opinion ko lang ito based sa sarili kong experience.

[fatso25]

Talagang may progression sa pagturo.  Para mo na rin sinabing bago ka mag College kailangan mo muna mag elementary tapos high school.  Maraming USPTA na magsasabi nito.  Isa ito sa mga concepts na nasa manual ng USPTA.  Hindi ko ito kinokontra pero para sa akin, depende lahat sa tinuturuan ko kung ano ang akma para sa kanya.  Halimbawa mo, ano ba ang dapat na maunang matutunan?  Sa forehand, backhand at server, una ba ang flat o top spin?  Sa palagay ko depende sa estudyante yan.

Kahit na top spin ang natural na tira ko, hindi ko ito tinutulak sa tinuturuan ko.  Ang ginagawa ko, lalo na sa beginner, inoobserbahan ko kung ano ang natural swing and then from there I make tweaks to the swing to get the results.  May mga tao na natural ang top spin dahil nagsisimula sila ng swing mula sa baba pataas kaya normal na may hagod sa bola.  Meron namang level sa bola ang natural na swing kaya flat ang bola.  Kapag nakita ko na ang natural na swing, inaayos ko na lang yung grip, point of contact at follow-through.  Sa apat na elemento ng stroke - grip, swing path, point of contact and follow-through, para sa akin, mas madaling ayusin ang grip, point of contact at follow-through kesa sa swing path.

Opinion ko lang ito based sa sarili kong experience.

Nice! Palagay ko tama ito, nung tinuruan ako ganyan din ang ginawa. walang binago sa palo ko yung grip, contact at follow through lang ang inadjust...

[andok17]

well my uncle is USPTA member ganon din ang turo sa akin kung san ako comfortable yun lang ang tira ko talaga. tinuruan lang ako kung pano mag footwork at rhythm heheheh yung tipon dapat relax yung grip mo tapos titigasan mo naman hawak mo pag papalo ka na para may power

[fatso25]

well my uncle is USPTA ganon din ang turo sa akin kung san ako comfortable yun lang ang tira ko talaga. tinuruan lang ako kung pano mag footwork at rhythm heheheh yung tipon dapat relax yung grip mo tapos titigasan mo naman hawak mo pag papalo ka na para may power

Iba iba pala talaga... may mga nagsasabi naman na dapat relax lang ang hawak sa grip at huwag masyadong stiff upon impact... hehe. 

[mikki_blinkme]

well my uncle is USPTA ganon din ang turo sa akin kung san ako comfortable yun lang ang tira ko talaga. tinuruan lang ako kung pano mag footwork at rhythm heheheh yung tipon dapat relax yung grip mo tapos titigasan mo naman hawak mo pag papalo ka na para may power

Iba iba pala talaga... may mga nagsasabi naman na dapat relax lang ang hawak sa grip at huwag masyadong stiff upon impact... hehe. 

yep korek mga bords. yung iba inuuna yung power. yung iba control or groove muna. syempre dun na ako sa control muna chaka na yung power power na yan. baka maging member ako ng power rangers nyan. 

[mikki_blinkme]

I remember USPTA Teaching Pro Ted Sayrahder told us once during the coaches workshop to master and volley first with power instead of going for those slice drop volleys at once.

Mikki, so my question is, Have you learned to volley with power?

nope not yet. pero yung tita ko from states may coach sya dun uspta teaching pro din and yung tita ko ay member ng usta. sabi sa kanya kahit anong playing level dapat matry mo lahat ng shots as much as possible as well as style of play.

pero sakin kung di ko pa gagawin drop volleys ngyn baka after 20 years ko pa masubukan yan. 

Greetings Miks:

If your Tita is a member of the USTA then alam nya tiyak yung tinuturo nila ay may "progression" Whether it be the forehand, backhand, serve, volley etc. Yes you can try try all the shots if you want but if you really want to be good at it, first master the basics and you have to go through the whole progression.

Natanong ko lang naman. It is still up to you kung ano gusto mo gawin sa game mo. I'm just sharing what was taught to us. 

yes dw. no problem sir. hehehe. lam mo namang old skul pa rin ako. hahaha!

[mikki_blinkme]

back to topic... tips for effective or basic drop volleys? hirap ako dito pag backhand side.

[fatso25]

back to topic... tips for effective or basic drop volleys? hirap ako dito pag backhand side.

soft touch brother yung tipong with feelings pa. hehe.

[reboj]

back to topic... tips for effective or basic drop volleys? hirap ako dito pag backhand side.

soft touch brother yung tipong with feelings pa. hehe.

oo with feelings, yung medyo naluluha luha ka habang tumitira ka 

[mikki_blinkme]

hahahaha! parang foreplay dating hipo hipo. 

[LitoGarcia]

Talagang may progression sa pagturo.  Para mo na rin sinabing bago ka mag College kailangan mo muna mag elementary tapos high school.  Maraming USPTA na magsasabi nito.  Isa ito sa mga concepts na nasa manual ng USPTA.  Hindi ko ito kinokontra pero para sa akin, depende lahat sa tinuturuan ko kung ano ang akma para sa kanya.  Halimbawa mo, ano ba ang dapat na maunang matutunan?  Sa forehand, backhand at server, una ba ang flat o top spin?  Sa palagay ko depende sa estudyante yan.

Kahit na top spin ang natural na tira ko, hindi ko ito tinutulak sa tinuturuan ko.  Ang ginagawa ko, lalo na sa beginner, inoobserbahan ko kung ano ang natural swing and then from there I make tweaks to the swing to get the results.  May mga tao na natural ang top spin dahil nagsisimula sila ng swing mula sa baba pataas kaya normal na may hagod sa bola.  Meron namang level sa bola ang natural na swing kaya flat ang bola.  Kapag nakita ko na ang natural na swing, inaayos ko na lang yung grip, point of contact at follow-through.  Sa apat na elemento ng stroke - grip, swing path, point of contact and follow-through, para sa akin, mas madaling ayusin ang grip, point of contact at follow-through kesa sa swing path.

Opinion ko lang ito based sa sarili kong experience.

Sir, siguro pag ang tinuturuan natin is medyo me edad na eh ganito ang pwedeng approach. pero kun tuturuan natin is yung mga bata pa talaga then the progressive teaching is what our trainer here is doing. then dun din niya tinuturo ang bawat aspect ng palo, flat, spin etc but in the scientific way.

this is just my personal opinion.

para hinde OT. tama si DW, once na na vo volley mo na ng malakas yung bola, then dun lalabas na siguro yung touch na pwede mo cyang o control to have a drop volley.

[burosky]

Tama ka sir Lito.  Dapat kinlaro ko yung sagot ko.  Puro adults o pumapalo na kasi ang tinuturuan ko.  Sa mga bata na nagsisimula pa lang, talagang dapat gamitin ang progression.  Wala pa silang malay kung ano ang dapat gawin.  Teka, 1.0 yan sa NTRP rating na sinulat ko ha.  http://www.pinoytennisonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,2463.msg62685.html#msg62685

Kaya kapag pinahawak mo sila ng raketa, talagang clueless.  Sa ganyang situasyon malaking bagay ang progression. 

[Darkwing]

I'm not a trainer but I believe it doesn't matter how old a person is, the basis should be his skill level. If he hasn't perfected the basics of the game yet then "progression" should be used for a player to really advance in the sport. There should be a lesson plan to be followed instead of just letting him select the shots he want to learn and try and teach him that.

For advance players, spot training can be implemented. Focusing on a problem area of his game is possible and is the way to correct flaws in his game.

But like I've said I'm not a trainer so what do I know? 

[burosky]

To a certain extent, I agree with what you are saying sir Darkwing.  Bottom line is it all depends on the student.  You are right.  A student with no pre-conceived notion of how to swing a racket should be taught using progression.  This way the students strokes can be "molded" the right way.  However, for someone who already has an idea of how to swing a racket, the learning process is usually quicker when fewer changes are made to the stroke.  For example, I had a beginner who went to other instructors before working with me.  For the longest time she couldn't get any kind of consistency on her forehand.  Her past instructors did all the progression training steps with her.  They showed her the grips, the swing path, point of contact and follow through of a semi-western forehand.  They started her with shadow swings, then went on to drop ball feed, toss feed, racket feed and eventually, baseline feed.  All the while, she was hit or miss because she needed to consciously think about the 4 elements of the stroke they taught her.  The moment she has a lapse in concentration she went back to her natural tendency to swing from low to high.  I'm not saying she can never overcome her natural tendency.  She can but it probably will take a long time and for a beginner, it could easily lead to frustration and eventually giving up the sport.  She probably would have not worked with me if she didn't feel like she was struggling with her instructor.

When I started working with her the first thing I did was watch what she was doing.  It became apparent to me that her natural tendency is to swing low to high.  Seeing this, I had her shift her semi-western grip one bevel to the right (she's a righty) and told her to make contact with the ball a little more in front.  I showed her the relationship between her grip, swing path and point of contact emphasizing that doing this will make the racket face almost perpendicular to the court as she made contact with the ball.  I showed her that with her natural swing path if she used a semi-western grip, the racket face will be slightly open at point of contact which makes the ball sail long.  She could only make the ball land in if she slowed down her swing.  The first few hits were still hit or miss but as soon as she got a feel for the correct point of contact it's almost like a light bulb turned on.  She started to develop consistency because according to her she was more comfortable not having to think about the elements of the stroke or slowing down her swing.  In fact, the harder she swung she got better results.  From worrying about whether she had the right grip, swing path, point of contact and follow through, she now only had to worry about the point of contact.  This translated to a repeatable stroke which allowed her to develop consistency.  We got all of this done in our 1 hour session.  This is just one example.  I've had students learning other strokes have a similar experience.

The point I'm trying to make is it all depends on the student.  I believe it takes the instructor working with the student to determine the best method for learning.  Not everyone learn the same way.  Again, just from my personal experience.  Sorry for the long post.

[Addie_56ers]

To a certain extent, I agree with what you are saying sir Darkwing.  Bottom line is it all depends on the student.  You are right.  A student with no pre-conceived notion of how to swing a racket should be taught using progression.  This way the students strokes can be "molded" the right way.  However, for someone who already has an idea of how to swing a racket, the learning process is usually quicker when fewer changes are made to the stroke.  For example, I had a beginner who went to other instructors before working with me.  For the longest time she couldn't get any kind of consistency on her forehand.  Her past instructors did all the progression training steps with her.  They showed her the grips, the swing path, point of contact and follow through of a semi-western forehand.  They started her with shadow swings, then went on to drop ball feed, toss feed, racket feed and eventually, baseline feed.  All the while, she was hit or miss because she needed to consciously think about the 4 elements of the stroke they taught her.  The moment she has a lapse in concentration she went back to her natural tendency to swing from low to high.  I'm not saying she can never overcome her natural tendency.  She can but it probably will take a long time and for a beginner, it could easily lead to frustration and eventually giving up the sport.  She probably would have not worked with me if she didn't feel like she was struggling with her instructor.

When I started working with her the first thing I did was watch what she was doing.  It became apparent to me that her natural tendency is to swing low to high.  Seeing this, I had her shift her semi-western grip one bevel to the right (she's a righty) and told her to make contact with the ball a little more in front.  I showed her the relationship between her grip, swing path and point of contact emphasizing that doing this will make the racket face almost perpendicular to the court as she made contact with the ball.  I showed her that with her natural swing path if she used a semi-western grip, the racket face will be slightly open at point of contact which makes the ball sail long.  She could only make the ball land in if she slowed down her swing.  The first few hits were still hit or miss but as soon as she got a feel for the correct point of contact it's almost like a light bulb turned on.  She started to develop consistency because according to her she was more comfortable not having to think about the elements of the stroke or slowing down her swing.  In fact, the harder she swung she got better results.  From worrying about whether she had the right grip, swing path, point of contact and follow through, she now only had to worry about the point of contact.  This translated to a repeatable stroke which allowed her to develop consistency.  We got all of this done in our 1 hour session.  This is just one example.  I've had students learning other strokes have a similar experience.

The point I'm trying to make is it all depends on the student.  I believe it takes the instructor working with the student to determine the best method for learning.  Not everyone learn the same way.  Again, just from my personal experience.  Sorry for the long post.

Oks lang maski long post.. its very informative... thanks for the tips

[fatso25]

back to topic... tips for effective or basic drop volleys? hirap ako dito pag backhand side.

soft touch brother yung tipong with feelings pa. hehe.

oo with feelings, yung medyo naluluha luha ka habang tumitira ka 

Haha!!!

[LaWRenZzz]

madalas ginagawa ko to na medyo loose ang grip chaka tapat lang no racket movement. yung iba sabi kelangan may konting slice medyo hirap ako pag may underspin minsan humahaba kaya nasasalo lang or minsan pop up.

lalo na sa half volley drop.

tips dyan or drills para maging consistent lalo na sa mga angles. or any basic drills para dito?

nde ko na matandaan kung saan ko nabasa ung article pro pag practice nito hagis mo ung bola tapos catch it with your racket w/o bouncing or minimal bounce lang..

ay mejo kaya ko un