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« on: June 08, 2009, 03:01:35 AM »

Roger Federer finally won the French Open. He has now equalled the feat of Andre Agassi on winning all surfaces and tied with Pete Sampras's 14 grand slam titles won.

What will he achieve in the future? No one really believed that Federer will even win the French Open as long as Nadal is in his way. Federer already stampped his name in Wimbledon by winning it 5 times only to be disappointed by loosing to Nadal in a very close 5th set.

Before, some say that Sampras was the greatest because of his record. I believed before that Federer is the greatest between the two in their prime. Now that the record in most grand slam titles is equalled between the two, what will be the next? If Federer wins another grandslam, then we can truly say that he is the greatest. Winning another grand slam for Federer i think will surpass all achievements of Sampras in terms of records. And unlike Sampras who won his last Grand Slam due for retirement, Federer still has a lot to go when it comes to his level of playing. Hes still young and we dont see him retiring soon. Maybe his career will extend even past his 30's.

Winning the French Open for Federer will surely boost his morale coming to Wimbledon. He just might get the no.1 rank again.

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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2009, 05:17:04 PM »

Here is a look at Roger Federer's 14 Grand Slam Victories:

2003 Wimbledon def Mark Philippoussis (AUS)7-6 (7-5), 6-2, 7-6 (7-3)
2004 Australian Open def Marat Safin (RUS) 7-6 (7-3), 6-4, 6-2
2004 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 4-6, 7-5,7-6 (7-3), 6-0
2005 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2,7-6 (7-2), 6-4
2005 US Open def Andre Aggassi (USA) 6-3, 2-6, 7-6 (7-1), 6-1
2006 Australian Open def Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 5-7, 7-5, 6-0, 6-2
2006 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 6-0, 7-6 (7-5), 6-7 (2-7), 6-3
2006 US Open def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1
2007 Australian Open def Fernando Gonzales (CHI) 7-6 (7-2), 6-4, 6-4
2007 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 7-6 (9-7), 4-6, 7-6 (7-3), 2-6, 6-2
2007 US Open def Novak Djokovic (SRB) 7-6 (7-4), 7-6 (7-2), 6-4
2008 US Open def Andy Murray (GBR) 6-2, 7-5, 6-2
2009 French Open def Robin Soderling (SWE) 6-1, 7-6 (7-1), 6-4

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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2009, 06:15:48 PM »

Here is a look at Roger Federer's 14 Grand Slam Victories:

2003 Wimbledon def Mark Philippoussis (AUS)7-6 (7-5), 6-2, 7-6 (7-3)
2004 Australian Open def Marat Safin (RUS) 7-6 (7-3), 6-4, 6-2
2004 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 4-6, 7-5,7-6 (7-3), 6-0
2005 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2,7-6 (7-2), 6-4
2005 US Open def Andre Aggassi (USA) 6-3, 2-6, 7-6 (7-1), 6-1
2006 Australian Open def Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 5-7, 7-5, 6-0, 6-2
2006 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 6-0, 7-6 (7-5), 6-7 (2-7), 6-3
2006 US Open def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1
2007 Australian Open def Fernando Gonzales (CHI) 7-6 (7-2), 6-4, 6-4
2007 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 7-6 (9-7), 4-6, 7-6 (7-3), 2-6, 6-2
2007 US Open def Novak Djokovic (SRB) 7-6 (7-4), 7-6 (7-2), 6-4
2008 US Open def Andy Murray (GBR) 6-2, 7-5, 6-2
2009 French Open def Robin Soderling (SWE) 6-1, 7-6 (7-1), 6-4



13 lang to magagalit ang mga RF fans. Baka sabihin kinupitan Grin (joke). Eto yung nawawala...   

2004 US Open def Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) 6-0 7-6(3) 6-0


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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2009, 09:51:12 PM »

Ooopsss!  Thanks for adding that jt!

Cheers  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2009, 11:25:36 PM »

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy ang lulufet ng mga tinalo ni federer a. idol ko dyan si agassi at Hewitt.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2009, 01:35:16 PM »

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy ang lulufet ng mga tinalo ni federer a. idol ko dyan si agassi at Hewitt.
In the making?,,, not anymore! ,he is made already! ,in the history book! ,as the greatest  player who played the game! Wink
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2009, 01:36:59 PM »

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy ang lulufet ng mga tinalo ni federer a. idol ko dyan si agassi at Hewitt.
In the making?,,, not anymore! ,he is made already! ,in the history book! ,as the greatest  player who played the game! Wink

Yup he already done it..... Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2009, 02:05:39 PM »

hehehe.. mabuhay c federer....

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2009, 02:11:44 PM »

korek makikita nyo yan sa mga glossy magazines and alamancs or guiness book of records. hahaha! i mean GLOSSY.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2009, 07:22:20 PM »

korek makikita nyo yan sa mga glossy magazines and alamancs or guiness book of records. hahaha! i mean GLOSSY.
Agree k na b Mikki? edi dapat iclose na natin yung Sampras vs. Federer na topic hehehe.
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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2009, 07:32:23 PM »

yes agree in terms of his 14th slam achievement. and records. yun lang. pero the greatest a hell of no lalo na pag sabi lang ng tennis magaznes at sabi ng mga all time greats. hahaha! kahit mag 20 pa syang slam.

well the best of his era oh sure why not.
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2009, 07:46:05 PM »

yes agree in terms of his 14th slam achievement. and records. yun lang. pero the greatest a hell of no lalo na pag sabi lang ng tennis magaznes at sabi ng mga all time greats. hahaha! kahit mag 20 pa syang slam.

well the best of his era oh sure why not.
To start with. pano ba naging greatest si Sampras at nasabi mong greatest cya? edi ba sa records lng din naman? kaya nga binebreak yung record e. And in tems of qualities and other factors lahat na inistate ko na. Gusto mo ata robot ang pantapat kay Sampras para masabi mong greatest kesa kay sampras kalaban nya hahaha.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2009, 08:00:45 PM »

nope. basta. hahaha! fyi syempre all time ko si sampras. di lang sa records nakikita at stats. minsan kelangan iisang tabi muna ang stats. you have to question pano nya na-achieve yun? etc. etc... kasi for me di lahat sinasabi ng stats at records. yes records is a good reference pero di lang yan dapat tinitignan.

sayang nga di napangabot tlg sa mga primes ang greats. i think na mas grabe lang tlg training at conditioning ngyn while the game evolves kasama ng surface at string and racket technologies...

sa totoo lang hirap tlg naman tlg ikumpara bawat era e. what if federer is born on 1930's? e di pang 1930's din training nya at conditioning at equipments... mahirap imaginin pag 1930's tapos nag time machine papuntang year 2000 mga players aba mashoshock sila. iba talaga e.

the best of their own eras lang tlg sila.

kanya kanyang panahon.
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2009, 08:42:25 PM »

2003 Wimbledon def Mark Philippoussis (AUS)7-6 (7-5), 6-2, 7-6 (7-3)
      5 years older than federer. 0 grand slam(s), 2 runner ups

2004 Australian Open def Marat Safin (RUS) 7-6 (7-3), 6-4, 6-2
      2 years older than federer. 2 grand slams.2 runner ups

2004 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 4-6, 7-5,7-6 (7-3), 6-0
2005 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2,7-6 (7-2), 6-4
      A Year older than federer. 1 grand slam. 3 runner ups

2005 US Open def Andre Aggassi (USA) 6-3, 2-6, 7-6 (7-1), 6-1
      12 years older than federer.  8 grand slams. of kors not his era. 1 slam in 2003.

2006 Australian Open def Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 5-7, 7-5, 6-0, 6-2
      4 years younger than federer. 0 slam(s). 1 runner up.

2006 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 6-0, 7-6 (7-5), 6-7 (2-7), 6-3
      4 years younger than federer. 6 grand slams.

2006 US Open def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1

2007 Australian Open def Fernando Gonzales (CHI) 7-6 (7-2), 6-4, 6-4
      A Year Older than federer. 0 slam(s)

2007 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 7-6 (9-7), 4-6, 7-6 (7-3), 2-6, 6-2

2007 US Open def Novak Djokovic (SRB) 7-6 (7-4), 7-6 (7-2), 6-4
      5 years younger than federer. 1 slam. 1 runner up

2008 US Open def Andy Murray (GBR) 6-2, 7-5, 6-2
      5 years younger than federer. 0 slam(s). 1 runner up

2009 French Open def Robin Soderling (SWE) 6-1, 7-6 (7-1), 6-4
      3 years younger than federer. 0 slam. 1 runner up.


according to the many tennis experts 4 years of age gap means a generation gap.
the peak of a tennis player ranging from 24-27 years of age to be in the top of their games nowadays. after that expect slowing down.
 
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2009, 08:44:48 PM »

not bad. so kayo na lang bahala sa haka haka. last word. FIN. Stats and records is good reference but you have to look deeper than that.

FIN.
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2009, 10:31:20 PM »

not bad. so kayo na lang bahala sa haka haka. last word. FIN. Stats and records is good reference but you have to look deeper than that.

FIN.

mikki, ikaw ba nagpapaliwanag nito?  Grin Grin dugo ilong ko eh  laugh
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2009, 10:49:16 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2009, 03:24:17 AM »

2003 Wimbledon def Mark Philippoussis (AUS)7-6 (7-5), 6-2, 7-6 (7-3)
      5 years older than federer. 0 grand slam(s), 2 runner ups

2004 Australian Open def Marat Safin (RUS) 7-6 (7-3), 6-4, 6-2
      2 years older than federer. 2 grand slams.2 runner ups

2004 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 4-6, 7-5,7-6 (7-3), 6-0
2005 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2,7-6 (7-2), 6-4
      A Year older than federer. 1 grand slam. 3 runner ups

2005 US Open def Andre Aggassi (USA) 6-3, 2-6, 7-6 (7-1), 6-1
      12 years older than federer.  8 grand slams. of kors not his era. 1 slam in 2003.

2006 Australian Open def Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 5-7, 7-5, 6-0, 6-2
      4 years younger than federer. 0 slam(s). 1 runner up.

2006 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 6-0, 7-6 (7-5), 6-7 (2-7), 6-3
      4 years younger than federer. 6 grand slams.

2006 US Open def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1

2007 Australian Open def Fernando Gonzales (CHI) 7-6 (7-2), 6-4, 6-4
      A Year Older than federer. 0 slam(s)

2007 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 7-6 (9-7), 4-6, 7-6 (7-3), 2-6, 6-2

2007 US Open def Novak Djokovic (SRB) 7-6 (7-4), 7-6 (7-2), 6-4
      5 years younger than federer. 1 slam. 1 runner up

2008 US Open def Andy Murray (GBR) 6-2, 7-5, 6-2
      5 years younger than federer. 0 slam(s). 1 runner up

2009 French Open def Robin Soderling (SWE) 6-1, 7-6 (7-1), 6-4
      3 years younger than federer. 0 slam. 1 runner up.


according to the many tennis experts 4 years of age gap means a generation gap.
the peak of a tennis player ranging from 24-27 years of age to be in the top of their games nowadays. after that expect slowing down.
 
Lahat naman ng kalaban ni Sampras either too old or too young din naman.
Ok p nga ang rivalry ni Federer at Nadal dahil marami silang grand slam finals na nagmeet and different surfaces p. E si Sampras at Agassi ilang grand slam Finals b sila nagmeet?

kaya title nitong thread "Greatest in the making" kasi dati ang patama niyo lang namang mga sampras fans records. Kesyo tingnan na lng natin ang records etc kung sino tlaga  greatest. Ngayon equal na ang records ano p kaya pag na surpass na ni Federer records ni Sampras. What would be left of Sampras para icontest na greatest siya?  gut feeling lang or robot tlaga opponent ni Sampras para masabing greatest? Mala terminator ang dating? hehe.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2009, 03:50:55 AM »

2003 Wimbledon def Mark Philippoussis (AUS)7-6 (7-5), 6-2, 7-6 (7-3)
      5 years older than federer. 0 grand slam(s), 2 runner ups

2004 Australian Open def Marat Safin (RUS) 7-6 (7-3), 6-4, 6-2
      2 years older than federer. 2 grand slams.2 runner ups

2004 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 4-6, 7-5,7-6 (7-3), 6-0
2005 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2,7-6 (7-2), 6-4
      A Year older than federer. 1 grand slam. 3 runner ups

2005 US Open def Andre Aggassi (USA) 6-3, 2-6, 7-6 (7-1), 6-1
      12 years older than federer.  8 grand slams. of kors not his era. 1 slam in 2003.

2006 Australian Open def Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 5-7, 7-5, 6-0, 6-2
      4 years younger than federer. 0 slam(s). 1 runner up.

2006 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 6-0, 7-6 (7-5), 6-7 (2-7), 6-3
      4 years younger than federer. 6 grand slams.

2006 US Open def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1

2007 Australian Open def Fernando Gonzales (CHI) 7-6 (7-2), 6-4, 6-4
      A Year Older than federer. 0 slam(s)

2007 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 7-6 (9-7), 4-6, 7-6 (7-3), 2-6, 6-2

2007 US Open def Novak Djokovic (SRB) 7-6 (7-4), 7-6 (7-2), 6-4
      5 years younger than federer. 1 slam. 1 runner up

2008 US Open def Andy Murray (GBR) 6-2, 7-5, 6-2
      5 years younger than federer. 0 slam(s). 1 runner up

2009 French Open def Robin Soderling (SWE) 6-1, 7-6 (7-1), 6-4
      3 years younger than federer. 0 slam. 1 runner up.


according to the many tennis experts 4 years of age gap means a generation gap.
the peak of a tennis player ranging from 24-27 years of age to be in the top of their games nowadays. after that expect slowing down.
 
Lahat naman ng kalaban ni Sampras either too old or too young din naman.
Ok p nga ang rivalry ni Federer at Nadal dahil marami silang grand slam finals na nagmeet and different surfaces p. E si Sampras at Agassi ilang grand slam Finals b sila nagmeet?

kaya title nitong thread "Greatest in the making" kasi dati ang patama niyo lang namang mga sampras fans records. Kesyo tingnan na lng natin ang records etc kung sino tlaga  greatest. Ngayon equal na ang records ano p kaya pag na surpass na ni Federer records ni Sampras. What would be left of Sampras para icontest na greatest siya?  gut feeling lang or robot tlaga opponent ni Sampras para masabing greatest? Mala terminator ang dating? hehe.

siguro yung mga slamdunk smashes ni pistol pete  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2009, 08:45:10 AM »

pards 5 times nag finals sa grandslams si pistol and andre and isang beses lang nanalo si agassi. pero un sa idol mo kabaliktaran un nangyari 7 times sila nag meet sa finals twice lang nanalo si fed. tsk tsk tsk...
 
one more thing, kung magsalita ka parang na beat na lahat ni fed ang records ni pistol and equal na sila, tsk tsk...


Sampras finished the year ranked World No. 1 by the Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP) for a record six years. He is the only player to have been ranked World No. 1 by the ATP for six consecutive years (1993–98). (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)

Sampras was ranked World No. 1 by the ATP for a record 286 weeks. (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)

Pete Sampras and William Renshaw share the record for most Wimbledon men's singles titles won, with seven titles each. Sampras never lost a Wimbledon final. (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)

Sampras is the only male player to have won at least three consecutive Wimbledon singles titles twice (1993-95 and 1997-2000). (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)

Sampras captured 64 ATP singles titles, which makes him fourth on the all-time list.

Sampras captured the ATP Tour World Championship (now known as the Tennis Masters Cup) a record five times in Germany (1991, 1994, 1996–97, and 1999).

Sampras was the youngest US Open men's singles champion at 19 years, 28 days in 1990 (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)

During the open era, Sampras is the only male player to have won the same Grand Slam singles tournament 7 times (Wimbledon). (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)


2003 Wimbledon def Mark Philippoussis (AUS)7-6 (7-5), 6-2, 7-6 (7-3)
      5 years older than federer. 0 grand slam(s), 2 runner ups

2004 Australian Open def Marat Safin (RUS) 7-6 (7-3), 6-4, 6-2
      2 years older than federer. 2 grand slams.2 runner ups

2004 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 4-6, 7-5,7-6 (7-3), 6-0
2005 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2,7-6 (7-2), 6-4
      A Year older than federer. 1 grand slam. 3 runner ups

2005 US Open def Andre Aggassi (USA) 6-3, 2-6, 7-6 (7-1), 6-1
      12 years older than federer.  8 grand slams. of kors not his era. 1 slam in 2003.

2006 Australian Open def Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 5-7, 7-5, 6-0, 6-2
      4 years younger than federer. 0 slam(s). 1 runner up.

2006 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 6-0, 7-6 (7-5), 6-7 (2-7), 6-3
      4 years younger than federer. 6 grand slams.

2006 US Open def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1

2007 Australian Open def Fernando Gonzales (CHI) 7-6 (7-2), 6-4, 6-4
      A Year Older than federer. 0 slam(s)

2007 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 7-6 (9-7), 4-6, 7-6 (7-3), 2-6, 6-2

2007 US Open def Novak Djokovic (SRB) 7-6 (7-4), 7-6 (7-2), 6-4
      5 years younger than federer. 1 slam. 1 runner up

2008 US Open def Andy Murray (GBR) 6-2, 7-5, 6-2
      5 years younger than federer. 0 slam(s). 1 runner up

2009 French Open def Robin Soderling (SWE) 6-1, 7-6 (7-1), 6-4
      3 years younger than federer. 0 slam. 1 runner up.


according to the many tennis experts 4 years of age gap means a generation gap.
the peak of a tennis player ranging from 24-27 years of age to be in the top of their games nowadays. after that expect slowing down.
 
Lahat naman ng kalaban ni Sampras either too old or too young din naman.
Ok p nga ang rivalry ni Federer at Nadal dahil marami silang grand slam finals na nagmeet and different surfaces p. E si Sampras at Agassi ilang grand slam Finals b sila nagmeet?

kaya title nitong thread "Greatest in the making" kasi dati ang patama niyo lang namang mga sampras fans records. Kesyo tingnan na lng natin ang records etc kung sino tlaga  greatest. Ngayon equal na ang records ano p kaya pag na surpass na ni Federer records ni Sampras. What would be left of Sampras para icontest na greatest siya?  gut feeling lang or robot tlaga opponent ni Sampras para masabing greatest? Mala terminator ang dating? hehe.
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FEDERER HAILED AS 'BEST EVER' BY SPORTS ILLUSTRATED

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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2009, 10:22:42 AM »

pards 5 times nag finals sa grandslams si pistol and andre and isang beses lang nanalo si agassi. pero un sa idol mo kabaliktaran un nangyari 7 times sila nag meet sa finals twice lang nanalo si fed. tsk tsk tsk...
 
one more thing, kung magsalita ka parang na beat na lahat ni fed ang records ni pistol and equal na sila, tsk tsk...


Sampras finished the year ranked World No. 1 by the Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP) for a record six years. He is the only player to have been ranked World No. 1 by the ATP for six consecutive years (1993–98). (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)

Sampras was ranked World No. 1 by the ATP for a record 286 weeks. (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)

Pete Sampras and William Renshaw share the record for most Wimbledon men's singles titles won, with seven titles each. Sampras never lost a Wimbledon final. (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)

Sampras is the only male player to have won at least three consecutive Wimbledon singles titles twice (1993-95 and 1997-2000). (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)

Sampras captured 64 ATP singles titles, which makes him fourth on the all-time list.

Sampras captured the ATP Tour World Championship (now known as the Tennis Masters Cup) a record five times in Germany (1991, 1994, 1996–97, and 1999).

Sampras was the youngest US Open men's singles champion at 19 years, 28 days in 1990 (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)

During the open era, Sampras is the only male player to have won the same Grand Slam singles tournament 7 times (Wimbledon). (MUKHANG HINDI NA MABBREAK)


2003 Wimbledon def Mark Philippoussis (AUS)7-6 (7-5), 6-2, 7-6 (7-3)
      5 years older than federer. 0 grand slam(s), 2 runner ups

2004 Australian Open def Marat Safin (RUS) 7-6 (7-3), 6-4, 6-2
      2 years older than federer. 2 grand slams.2 runner ups

2004 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 4-6, 7-5,7-6 (7-3), 6-0
2005 Wimbledon def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2,7-6 (7-2), 6-4
      A Year older than federer. 1 grand slam. 3 runner ups

2005 US Open def Andre Aggassi (USA) 6-3, 2-6, 7-6 (7-1), 6-1
      12 years older than federer.  8 grand slams. of kors not his era. 1 slam in 2003.

2006 Australian Open def Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 5-7, 7-5, 6-0, 6-2
      4 years younger than federer. 0 slam(s). 1 runner up.

2006 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 6-0, 7-6 (7-5), 6-7 (2-7), 6-3
      4 years younger than federer. 6 grand slams.

2006 US Open def Andy Roddick (USA) 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1

2007 Australian Open def Fernando Gonzales (CHI) 7-6 (7-2), 6-4, 6-4
      A Year Older than federer. 0 slam(s)

2007 Wimbledon def Rafael Nadal (ESP) 7-6 (9-7), 4-6, 7-6 (7-3), 2-6, 6-2

2007 US Open def Novak Djokovic (SRB) 7-6 (7-4), 7-6 (7-2), 6-4
      5 years younger than federer. 1 slam. 1 runner up

2008 US Open def Andy Murray (GBR) 6-2, 7-5, 6-2
      5 years younger than federer. 0 slam(s). 1 runner up

2009 French Open def Robin Soderling (SWE) 6-1, 7-6 (7-1), 6-4
      3 years younger than federer. 0 slam. 1 runner up.


according to the many tennis experts 4 years of age gap means a generation gap.
the peak of a tennis player ranging from 24-27 years of age to be in the top of their games nowadays. after that expect slowing down.
 
Lahat naman ng kalaban ni Sampras either too old or too young din naman.
Ok p nga ang rivalry ni Federer at Nadal dahil marami silang grand slam finals na nagmeet and different surfaces p. E si Sampras at Agassi ilang grand slam Finals b sila nagmeet?

kaya title nitong thread "Greatest in the making" kasi dati ang patama niyo lang namang mga sampras fans records. Kesyo tingnan na lng natin ang records etc kung sino tlaga  greatest. Ngayon equal na ang records ano p kaya pag na surpass na ni Federer records ni Sampras. What would be left of Sampras para icontest na greatest siya?  gut feeling lang or robot tlaga opponent ni Sampras para masabing greatest? Mala terminator ang dating? hehe.
Sa records for being no. 1 consecutive weeks lang naman lamang ni Sampras.
Winning most Wimbledon hindi p, kaya nga greatest in the making tong topic. Isa pa yan lng bang records ang meron against kay Fed? e ang daming ginawa na ni Fed like getting the slams faster etc and statistics.

Tsaka 4 consecutive wimbledon lng naman nagawa ni Sampras compared to 5 ni Federer.
Sampras and Agassi US Open lng sila nagkikita, talo pa  ni Agassi si Sampras sa Australian Open. No contest sa ibang surface. Sa meet up ni Nadal at Federer tatlo dun clay.

Kung Federer and Sampras mag head to head all time kung nagpangabot sila zero na agad si Sampras sa clay kay Federer.  Kung hindi man zero bka 90% ng matches nila sa clay kay Federer na agad. 25% guaranteed win sa head to head malaking bagay. Hindi pala guaranteed na 25% dahil most of the time out na agad Sampras bago pa magkita sila sa clay.

Well kung manalo p ulit ng ilang Grand slam si Federer kahit ilang masters p yang kay Sampras bale wala na. Alin b mas prestigious na event? Cheesy

peace p rin bro. Cheesy
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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2009, 10:01:52 AM »

ay mukang dito napunta din sampras vs fed  Cheesy ah basta johnny mac and edberg pa rin ako. bow. roger federer is the greatest from 2004 and present for sure. sampras also is the best of 90's. hahahay. pero pag records pag babasihan mahirap din e.

pero medyo di lang ako bilib sa mga mainstream magazines, websites, etc... i mean yung mga glossy type tennis magz market nila for the good of tennis for commercialism i mean pop culture type kaya mababango lahat ng sinasabi chaka para simple lang sa mga nagbabasa kung sino ika nga greatest. kasi mahirap din naman natin maintindihan kung mga EXPERTS talaga ang mag aanalize baka di mabili ang mga magz na yun. May konti lang silang nasasabi about "players" kasi nga pag tinambakan nila ng tchnicalan e baka ma-nosebleed tyo chaka kulang ata 100 pages pagnagsulat sila sa isang section ng mag pag technicalang usapin na e.

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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2009, 01:13:25 PM »

ay mukang dito napunta din sampras vs fed  Cheesy ah basta johnny mac and edberg pa rin ako. bow. roger federer is the greatest from 2004 and present for sure. sampras also is the best of 90's. hahahay. pero pag records pag babasihan mahirap din e.

pero medyo di lang ako bilib sa mga mainstream magazines, websites, etc... i mean yung mga glossy type tennis magz market nila for the good of tennis for commercialism i mean pop culture type kaya mababango lahat ng sinasabi chaka para simple lang sa mga nagbabasa kung sino ika nga greatest. kasi mahirap din naman natin maintindihan kung mga EXPERTS talaga ang mag aanalize baka di mabili ang mga magz na yun. May konti lang silang nasasabi about "players" kasi nga pag tinambakan nila ng tchnicalan e baka ma-nosebleed tyo chaka kulang ata 100 pages pagnagsulat sila sa isang section ng mag pag technicalang usapin na e.

yun pow.

Bro, sa panahon ng idols mo sa old era wala pang" glossy type mags" nun diba. Black and white pa lng ata pages hehe. joke.

Pero parang stuck k sa old era. Fav series mo b "that 70's show?" Cheesy

Wala ng katapusan ang debate between Sampras and Federer kaya updates na lng sa topic na to for Federer being the greatest. Lapit na Wimbledon. Nuod na lng tayo. hehe. 
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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2009, 01:53:08 PM »

no ians. kasi ang new school tennis anjan lang yan e. gusto ko lang tlga makita yung mga di ko inabutan. thats it. good thing is naaapreciate ko ang game nung mga nakaraan.
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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2009, 10:10:19 PM »

ay mukang dito napunta din sampras vs fed  Cheesy ah basta johnny mac and edberg pa rin ako. bow. roger federer is the greatest from 2004 and present for sure. sampras also is the best of 90's. hahahay. pero pag records pag babasihan mahirap din e.

pero medyo di lang ako bilib sa mga mainstream magazines, websites, etc... i mean yung mga glossy type tennis magz market nila for the good of tennis for commercialism i mean pop culture type kaya mababango lahat ng sinasabi chaka para simple lang sa mga nagbabasa kung sino ika nga greatest. kasi mahirap din naman natin maintindihan kung mga EXPERTS talaga ang mag aanalize baka di mabili ang mga magz na yun. May konti lang silang nasasabi about "players" kasi nga pag tinambakan nila ng tchnicalan e baka ma-nosebleed tyo chaka kulang ata 100 pages pagnagsulat sila sa isang section ng mag pag technicalang usapin na e.

yun pow.


greatest ba sya sa present? eh di ba bugbog sya kay nadal, head to head? greatest b yun?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2009, 11:28:45 PM »

i mean jov yung kasabayan nya talaga like hewitt, safin, blake, roddick... yung mga ganun. hahahaha! sina nadal kasi kina novak ang linyahan talaga nun. for me lang a.
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« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2009, 01:27:27 AM »

i mean jov yung kasabayan nya talaga like hewitt, safin, blake, roddick... yung mga ganun. hahahaha! sina nadal kasi kina novak ang linyahan talaga nun. for me lang a.

i agree po dito. si novak po talagang magaling sya kaya lang po parang hindi po maganda ang head to head games nila ni nadal. pero i think magiging no 1 po si nadal next year
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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2009, 10:26:04 AM »

i mean jov yung kasabayan nya talaga like hewitt, safin, blake, roddick... yung mga ganun. hahahaha! sina nadal kasi kina novak ang linyahan talaga nun. for me lang a.

i agree po dito. si novak po talagang magaling sya kaya lang po parang hindi po maganda ang head to head games nila ni nadal. pero i think magiging no 1 po si nadal next year
pwede! wait natin outcome sa wimby and U. S. open! Wink
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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2009, 04:21:33 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxXDBDRfIA4

Rare, classic interview from 2001 with 14-time Grand Slam Champion Roger Federer giving his thoughts & hopes at the very start of his tennis career.
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« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2009, 11:16:06 AM »

He is already one of the greatest players... He's already been made... SmileySmileySmiley
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« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2009, 03:22:57 PM »

He is already one of the greatest players... He's already been made... SmileySmileySmiley

sino si rafa?  Grin Grin Grin  uu sya talaga greatest!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2009, 03:26:24 PM »

He is already one of the greatest players... He's already been made... SmileySmileySmiley

sino si rafa?  Grin Grin Grin  uu sya talaga greatest!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I just could agree more... Hehe... Jov, away yata hanap mo.. hahaha... SmileySmileySmiley
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« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2009, 10:02:03 PM »

He is already one of the greatest players... He's already been made... SmileySmileySmiley

sino si rafa?  Grin Grin Grin  uu sya talaga greatest!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I just could agree more... Hehe... Jov, away yata hanap mo.. hahaha... SmileySmileySmiley
tama na si Mikki at Kim sa akin. hindi nako magcomment sa inyo. against all odds na ako hahaha.
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« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2009, 10:27:13 PM »

He is already one of the greatest players... He's already been made... SmileySmileySmiley

sino si rafa?  Grin Grin Grin  uu sya talaga greatest!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I just could agree more... Hehe... Jov, away yata hanap mo.. hahaha... SmileySmileySmiley

oo! pu#$@$##$@#!!! awaaaaaY!!!!  Grin Grin Grin joke lang,  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2009, 10:00:46 AM »

He is already one of the greatest players... He's already been made... SmileySmileySmiley

sino si rafa?  Grin Grin Grin  uu sya talaga greatest!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I just could agree more... Hehe... Jov, away yata hanap mo.. hahaha... SmileySmileySmiley
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« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2009, 07:51:20 PM »

Federer is not one of the greatest, he is the greatest player of all time.

Nadal? still remains to be seen.
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« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2009, 07:58:31 PM »

Federer is not one of the greatest, he is the greatest player of all time.

Nadal? still remains to be seen.

the best si graf with 20 plus slams, 4 slams and an olympic gold in one year, yun ang greatest  Wink
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« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2009, 08:41:12 PM »

Federer is not one of the greatest, he is the greatest player of all time.

Nadal? still remains to be seen.

the best si graf with 20 plus slams, 4 slams and an olympic gold in one year, yun ang greatest  Wink

Surely!!! Federer doesn't have a gold medal yet in singles in Olympic Tennis... He might have equalled the most number of slams won in men's division, but still he is just one of the greatest players... If he can repeat his Roland Garros performance next year, then maybe... Im sorry, but I still consider his win in RG a lucky one.
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« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2009, 10:04:25 PM »

Federer is not one of the greatest, he is the greatest player of all time.

Nadal? still remains to be seen.

the best si graf with 20 plus slams, 4 slams and an olympic gold in one year, yun ang greatest  Wink

Surely!!! Federer doesn't have a gold medal yet in singles in Olympic Tennis... He might have equalled the most number of slams won in men's division, but still he is just one of the greatest players... If he can repeat his Roland Garros performance next year, then maybe... Im sorry, but I still consider his win in RG a lucky one.

yes! VERY fortunate indeed.  Smiley
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« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2009, 10:16:21 PM »

Surely!!! Federer doesn't have a gold medal yet in singles in Olympic Tennis... He might have equalled the most number of slams won in men's division, but still he is just one of the greatest players... If he can repeat his Roland Garros performance next year, then maybe... Im sorry, but I still consider his win in RG a lucky one.

in my case, at this point, i pick federer as the greatest (t'was sampras before this time). siguro bias because i was a sampras fan then eventually a federer fan.

while it's obvious that federer is not your pick (and you may have your own point) so who do you consider the greatest player of all time?
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« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2009, 10:34:26 PM »

Surely!!! Federer doesn't have a gold medal yet in singles in Olympic Tennis... He might have equalled the most number of slams won in men's division, but still he is just one of the greatest players... If he can repeat his Roland Garros performance next year, then maybe... Im sorry, but I still consider his win in RG a lucky one.

in my case, at this point, i pick federer as the greatest (t'was sampras before this time). siguro bias because i was a sampras fan then eventually a federer fan.

while it's obvious that federer is not your pick (and you may have your own point) so who do you consider the greatest player of all time?

for me rafa  Grin Grin Grin, seriously, graf siguro in terms of slams and achievements
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« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2009, 10:43:08 PM »

sino si rafa?  Grin Grin Grin  uu sya talaga greatest!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
I just could agree more... Hehe... Jov, away yata hanap mo.. hahaha... SmileySmileySmiley

mukhang ito na pala ang sagot ni sbunk... and jov.  Smiley ito sa tingin ko ang "in the making" medyo malayo pa pero "in the making" lalo na kung healthy siya all the time. kaso this early, nanganganib na ang kanyang pagiging number 1! i hope makalampas siya sa QF sa Wimbledon to assure himself and retain the number one spot. tingin ko medyo mahihirapan lalo na kung di siya maka-recover 100% sa kanyang ailment.
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« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2009, 11:51:21 PM »

sino si rafa?  Grin Grin Grin  uu sya talaga greatest!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
I just could agree more... Hehe... Jov, away yata hanap mo.. hahaha... SmileySmileySmiley

mukhang ito na pala ang sagot ni sbunk... and jov.  Smiley ito sa tingin ko ang "in the making" medyo malayo pa pero "in the making" lalo na kung healthy siya all the time. kaso this early, nanganganib na ang kanyang pagiging number 1! i hope makalampas siya sa QF sa Wimbledon to assure himself and retain the number one spot. tingin ko medyo mahihirapan lalo na kung di siya maka-recover 100% sa kanyang ailment.
Mga Nadal fans, gumawa kayo ng sarili niyong topic na "NADAL - the greatest in the making" hehe.

kung luckiness ang basehan sa pagkapanalo ni Federer how come Sampras did not even reach at least a final in French open sa 13 year career niya? can you say na unlucky lang si Sampras?
If Nadal did not reached the finals in the last French Open, its his problem and fault, its not Federers fault. Simple lang naman explanation nun, hindi umabot si Nadal so may problem sa game niya. We consider Nadal to be the king of clay dapat man lang umabot siya kahit quarter finals, ma oust b naman ng early round. Federer very close lang ang pagkatalo sa last Wimbledon by only 2 games. He could have even won kung wala lang rain delay at hindi ginabi. Lets watch this years Wimbledon kung anong mangyayari.   

Kung magpapatuloy injury ni Nadal hangang next year mamamakyaw nanaman ng slams si Federer and once again getting no. 1 rank. Cheesy

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« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2009, 11:55:32 PM »

sino si rafa?  Grin Grin Grin  uu sya talaga greatest!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
I just could agree more... Hehe... Jov, away yata hanap mo.. hahaha... SmileySmileySmiley

mukhang ito na pala ang sagot ni sbunk... and jov.  Smiley ito sa tingin ko ang "in the making" medyo malayo pa pero "in the making" lalo na kung healthy siya all the time. kaso this early, nanganganib na ang kanyang pagiging number 1! i hope makalampas siya sa QF sa Wimbledon to assure himself and retain the number one spot. tingin ko medyo mahihirapan lalo na kung di siya maka-recover 100% sa kanyang ailment.
Mga Nadal fans, gumawa kayo ng sarili niyong topic na "NADAL - the greatest in the making" hehe.

kung luckiness ang basehan sa pagkapanalo ni Federer how come Sampras did not even reach at least a final in French open sa 13 year career niya? can you say na unlucky lang si Sampras?
If Nadal did not reached the finals in the last French Open, its his problem and fault, its not Federers fault. Simple lang naman explanation nun, hindi umabot si Nadal so may problem sa game niya. We consider Nadal to be the king of clay dapat man lang umabot siya kahit quarter finals, ma oust b naman ng early round. Federer very close lang ang pagkatalo sa last Wimbledon by only 2 games. He could have even won kung wala lang rain delay at hindi ginabi. Lets watch this years Wimbledon kung anong mangyayari.   

Kung magpapatuloy injury ni Nadal hangang next year mamamakyaw nanaman ng slams si Federer and once again getting no. 1 rank. Cheesy



Agree ako sa sinabi mo. pero wag nating kakalimutan na Djokovic, Murray is a threat to federer.

This is my humbly (Agassi Fan) opinion.  laugh
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« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2009, 12:26:12 AM »

Federer is not one of the greatest, he is the greatest player of all time.

Nadal? still remains to be seen.

the best si graf with 20 plus slams, 4 slams and an olympic gold in one year, yun ang greatest  Wink

---as i said before I am not Federer fan. But I strongly believe the he is the greatest male tennis player, even Sampras shares the same belief and Agassi.Pag sinabing greatest nag iisa lang, pag one of the greatest-hindi ka na greatest nun, kasi marami kayo. peace.  angel

--akala ko sa Men's lang, yon kc ang premise ng thread. 
--Being injured is part of an athlete's life, hindi fault yon ng kapwa mo player.
--pag ganun e di swerte lang yong pagkapanalo ni Rafa sa Wimbledon last year kc nagrerecover pa ng mono si Federer? That would be unfair for Rafa.

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« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2009, 12:45:31 AM »

sino si rafa?  Grin Grin Grin  uu sya talaga greatest!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
I just could agree more... Hehe... Jov, away yata hanap mo.. hahaha... SmileySmileySmiley

mukhang ito na pala ang sagot ni sbunk... and jov.  Smiley ito sa tingin ko ang "in the making" medyo malayo pa pero "in the making" lalo na kung healthy siya all the time. kaso this early, nanganganib na ang kanyang pagiging number 1! i hope makalampas siya sa QF sa Wimbledon to assure himself and retain the number one spot. tingin ko medyo mahihirapan lalo na kung di siya maka-recover 100% sa kanyang ailment.

im a rafa fan, pero i think with the way he is playing medyo mahirap habulin mga achievements ni fed, in terms of slam titles, hirap makarecover sa injuries, years ang kailangan para maka recover sa tendonitis, and rafa doesnt have the luxury of time, poor rafa Sad
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« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2009, 12:51:32 AM »

Bob: Yes correct. May injury p nga pala Federer last year but wala siyang sinabi na kahit ano bout his injury that might have caused his loss to Nadal.

Sir Lito: Yes Sir, threat talaga si Murray. Iba ang speed na ginagawa ni Federer pag kalaban si Murray. Ibig sabihin lang nun hirap siya kay Murray.  Isa pa may winning streak siya against Federer. Djokovic we'll see. Worth watching na Wimbledon and US Open. Malapit na to. Cheesy

Jov: Dibale Jov, kryptonite naman ni Federer si Nadal at twing naglalaro yung dalawa iba ang linalaro ni Nadal. Parang kay Federer kumukuha ng lakas at stamina hehe. Pag natatalo ni Nadal si Federer para na rin siyang greatest dahil tinatalo niya ang greatest.  laugh laugh
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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2009, 12:52:17 AM »

sino si rafa?  Grin Grin Grin  uu sya talaga greatest!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
I just could agree more... Hehe... Jov, away yata hanap mo.. hahaha... SmileySmileySmiley

mukhang ito na pala ang sagot ni sbunk... and jov.  Smiley ito sa tingin ko ang "in the making" medyo malayo pa pero "in the making" lalo na kung healthy siya all the time. kaso this early, nanganganib na ang kanyang pagiging number 1! i hope makalampas siya sa QF sa Wimbledon to assure himself and retain the number one spot. tingin ko medyo mahihirapan lalo na kung di siya maka-recover 100% sa kanyang ailment.
Mga Nadal fans, gumawa kayo ng sarili niyong topic na "NADAL - the greatest in the making" hehe.

kung luckiness ang basehan sa pagkapanalo ni Federer how come Sampras did not even reach at least a final in French open sa 13 year career niya? can you say na unlucky lang si Sampras?
If Nadal did not reached the finals in the last French Open, its his problem and fault, its not Federers fault. Simple lang naman explanation nun, hindi umabot si Nadal so may problem sa game niya. We consider Nadal to be the king of clay dapat man lang umabot siya kahit quarter finals, ma oust b naman ng early round. Federer very close lang ang pagkatalo sa last Wimbledon by only 2 games. He could have even won kung wala lang rain delay at hindi ginabi. Lets watch this years Wimbledon kung anong mangyayari.   

Kung magpapatuloy injury ni Nadal hangang next year mamamakyaw nanaman ng slams si Federer and once again getting no. 1 rank. Cheesy



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« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2009, 01:01:57 AM »

Federer is not one of the greatest, he is the greatest player of all time.

Nadal? still remains to be seen.

the best si graf with 20 plus slams, 4 slams and an olympic gold in one year, yun ang greatest  Wink

---as i said before I am not Federer fan. But I strongly believe the he is the greatest male tennis player, even Sampras shares the same belief and Agassi.Pag sinabing greatest nag iisa lang, pag one of the greatest-hindi ka na greatest nun, kasi marami kayo. peace.  angel

--akala ko sa Men's lang, yon kc ang premise ng thread. 
--Being injured is part of an athlete's life, hindi fault yon ng kapwa mo player.
--pag ganun e di swerte lang yong pagkapanalo ni Rafa sa Wimbledon last year kc nagrerecover pa ng mono si Federer? That would be unfair for Rafa.

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ah akala ko men and women,  Grin, men's pala  Grin, i merely reacted on what you said that "Federer is not one of the greatest, he is the greatest player of all time", by the way, di me nagsabi na one of the greatest si fed, kasi pag greatest ang pinag usapan, for me, si graf yun, nag iisa lang din si graf, anyway, medyo ot ako, churi guys,  Wink
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