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Hey Guys, just had an idea... how about if we create our own PTO ranking? We could start with 2 groups: Singles for Guys and Girls. The PTO ranking will be based on a challenge system. We could have a list of players who want to participate and any guys on the list can challenge each other. The winner of the challenge earns a point. Siempre, we still need to come up with the specific rules. This is a good way to meet other members and to encourage active participation on PTO's members. What you guys think?
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2007, 01:24:48 PM » |
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nice idea... parang sa prince of tennis... monthly ranking selection... pero dito ranking lang kasi wla naman tayong tournament... hehehe... btw... how bout intra-club tournament jan sa south? kaya lang di naman tayo club eh... hehehe...
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2007, 08:21:37 PM » |
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A challenge ladder system is good for groups that don't regularly meet. I don't know how to set it up online, but all it takes is for people to arrange matches with eachother, and to report it to the board. It will also take a couple of persons to manage. There are even online international ladders for people who travel a lot. You can book a match with someone in the country you are scheduled to visit.
We ran this in my club some years ago during rainy season when play was intermittent and we couldn't hold a regular tournament. It ran about 3 quarters of a year, until the ladder administrator moved to the province.
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2007, 03:28:50 AM » |
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Yup, ganyan rin iniisip ko Makinao. Mukhang madali lang i-organize kasi silang dalwa lang ung bahala. I think pde na natin i-start eto after we got the permission of the administrators of PTO para payagan tayo i-publish ung rules and results dito. Kelangan rin natin malaman kung sino ung gusto sumali dito. Don't worry guys... you don't have to be an advance player para sumali kahit beginner pde. At least if you join you'll get an idea on your skill level and what you need to improve on. So huwag kayong mahihiya hehehe so SINONG GUSTO SUMALI??? (kahit maka-sampo lang tayo pde na natin simulan hehe)
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2007, 09:59:53 AM » |
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Hi all! Excellent idea Ace! Let us know the mechanics/rules/venues. Maganda 'to as we can have small group meets. Sana later on, we can have more groups like 40 and above group, doubles group, etc. I play mostly doubles dahil di na kaya ng katawan ko mag singles unlike Bro Francis, Don Pedro, Racketwiz na mga batambata....!  |
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2007, 10:17:10 AM » |
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sali ako depende sa date ng ranking...
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2007, 01:21:28 PM » |
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Cool may supporta na tayo ng Moderators Sige I'll take care of coming up with the rules... |
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2007, 03:55:46 PM » |
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Cool may supporta na tayo ng Moderators Sige I'll take care of coming up with the rules... Great. The web is full of rules for ladder tournaments. I'll look for the mechanics and rules we made for our club and mail it to you. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2007, 04:29:11 PM » |
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here is one site that has rules for a challenge ladder system and also a ranking system.... http://www.tennisengine.com |
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2007, 11:20:29 PM » |
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Thanks guys for your ideas. Your suggestions are most welcome. Medyo busy ako this week so this weekend ko gagawin ung initial draft ng rules...
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2007, 03:42:12 PM » |
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mukhang okay din ang info sa http://www.tennisengine.com. I think pwede rin natin gamitin ang free service ng site na ito as another option. |
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2007, 12:51:24 PM » |
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Ok, guys as promised eto na ung rules na dinaraft ko. Please keep in mind na initial draft pa lang eto. Mukhang marami pang kulang pero gusto ko muna makita nyo para ma-incorporate ko sa next draft. Feel free to comment or to make suggestions:
Philippine Tennis Online Ranking
The Philippine Tennis Online Ranking is established to promote friendly competition among its members. It will assist its members in improving their tennis skills through competition.
The Philippine Tennis Online Ranking will be based on points earned on the following:
1. Philippine Tennis Online Challenge System
2. Philippine Tennis Online Tournaments
Philippine Tennis Online Ranking Mechanics:
1. A player who wins a challenge or a round in a tournament earns 10 points.
2. A player who losses a challenge or a round in a tournament earns 3 points.
3. A player who defaults a challenge or tournament earns no point and the winner of the defaulted game earns 9 points.
4. There will be a ranking for Men’s and Women’s Singles and Doubles. Ranking will be released every Monday on the PTO website.
5. Points will expire after 1 year from the date it was earned. Ranking will be based on accumulated valid points (i.e., unexpired points).
6. Additional bonus points will be earned if a player beats a top 10 player:
o 10 points – player beats the top 1 player
o 9 points – player beats the top 2 player
o 8 points – player beats the top 3 player
o 7 points – player beats the top 4 player
o 6 points – player beats the top 5 player
o 5 points – player beats the top 6 player
o 4 points – player beats the top 7 player
o 3 points – player beats the top 8 player
o 2 points – player beats the top 9 player
o 1 points – player beats the top 10 player
Philippine Tennis Online Challenge System Rules:
1. Philippines Tennis Online members can challenge any players that are ranked or in the challengers list.
2. The challenger should send a message to the PTO Moderator to formally request the challenge. The message should contain the name of challenged member and date, time and location of the match. The challenger should NOT directly send a message to the person being challenged because we want to record the challenges.
3. PTO will inform the challenged member regarding the challenge. If the challenged member is not available on the date, time and location then he/she can suggest an alternative. If both of them cannot agree then the challenge is defaulted.
4. Players cannot challenge members he/she has defeated for the past month.
5. The winner of the challenge is responsible for reporting the results to PTO Moderator by sending a message with the following information: date of the match, winner’s name, loser’s name and the match score.
6. Member who rejects challenges continuously three times will be penalize with -5 points.
7. Both players will share in the cost of tennis court and ball boys.
Philippine Tennis Online Tournament Rules:
1. Any members of Philippine Tennis Online can organize a tournament with any format (e.g., round-robin, pyramid, etc.).
2. The tournament should be announced in the website to allow PTO members to register on the tournament.
3. Each match/round will earn points towards PTO ranking.
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2007, 03:19:34 PM » |
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2007, 08:45:39 PM » |
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so continuous lang ito? pano madedetermine kung sino ang nasa challenge list? ska pano yung level of play?
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2007, 10:19:31 PM » |
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Yup continuous lang eto. Gawa na lang tayo ng post that contains the list of participants in the challenge system. What do you mean by level of play. I guess kung number of sets ang pinaguusapan depende sa players ng challenge or sa tournament kung gusto nila one set or best of 2 out of 3 sets. For now iniisip ko para simple, let's maintain one ranking for singles men, singles women and doubles. At first there might be mismatches in terms of skill levels. Pero eventually the ranking will sorts itself into order. For example yung mga advanced players nasa top 10, intermediate ung 11-20 tapos ung beginners 21-30. |
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2007, 10:31:43 PM » |
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2007, 10:33:54 PM » |
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ehehe...nice...kelan poh kaya simula?
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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2007, 11:46:50 PM » |
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Oo nga noh wala pa tayong date kung kelan natin i-implement eto. I-release and implement natin on March 19. Mukhang ok na naman sa Moderator (LVL307) Nga pala with regards to doubles, hindi ko alam kung ilang category gagawin natin. Marami kasing combination eh... men's doubles, women's doubles, mixed doubles and senior doubles heheh.... Ang concern ko lang is bka masyado maraming category tapos konti lang ung participant so for now let's try one ranking for doubles. Tapos tingnan natin kung magwo work tska kung may mga issues tapos ayusin n lang natin in the future. |
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2007, 01:05:29 AM » |
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2007, 01:22:38 AM » |
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ace, may nabasa ko sa tennisengine... baka pwede natin iapply... yung magkaron muna ng 3 matches each ang players to determine the skill level... para simula pa lang, wala ng mismatch... yung 3 matches na yun, di pa kasama sa ranking talga... oh well... just a thought...
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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2007, 09:37:19 AM » |
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Hi all! We can actually start the games anytime once ok na sa inyo yung rules. As regards playing several games to judge the skill level of players, we can make use of the games during the eb's. Let us just appoint someone who will make the evaluation. Kung di lang busy sina SLP, Coco, etc, they will be in the best position to do that. Meantime, let us just appoint about 2 players who will do the evaluation. OK ba sa inyo to use the NTRP rating system as posted here? If you want, we can have an EB exclusive for PTO and everyone plays. Sundays after 10:00 a.m., maluwag ang Citadella or if you have other venues where most if not all of PTO players can come, let's have it there. Bro rucker, kelan na EB? Let the games begin...!!!
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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2007, 12:48:16 PM » |
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ok yun... so kelan ang eb?  kailangan ng ma-organize yung matches, kung sino ang maghaharap... sino magaappoint nung 2 mageevaluate? pagkatapos magappoint, kailangan na rin malaman kung sino mga sasali... hanggat maaari lahat di ba? hhmmm... pano yung nasa ibang countries? di makakasali? |
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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2007, 01:30:47 PM » |
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magandang suggestion yan ahldrin...medyo weird nga kung maglalaban ung beginner and advanced.
Sir LVL307, ok ako using the NTRP rating. Just wondering Sir LVL307 if we can store the ratings for each player here in the profile section. So merong rating for forehand, backhand, serve, etc... then over-all rating. Para meron tayong record for each player tska additional information for each players.
Kung wala ng objections sa rule pde na natin i-implement. I-refine n lng natin in case may issues tayong makita. For the challenge system kelangan lang natin ng admintrator who will regularly check the challenges, inform the players if he/she has been challenged, etc. Kelangan rin natin ng volunteer ng magu-update ng rankings... although out of the country ako ngayon pde ako kasi regular naman ako ngche-check ng website.... paki-PM na lang sakin ung results.
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2007, 01:46:40 PM » |
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and maybe we can ask admin_jong to add a section specifically for ranking matches and updates?
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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2007, 02:21:05 PM » |
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Yup continuous lang eto. Gawa na lang tayo ng post that contains the list of participants in the challenge system. What do you mean by level of play. I guess kung number of sets ang pinaguusapan depende sa players ng challenge or sa tournament kung gusto nila one set or best of 2 out of 3 sets. For now iniisip ko para simple, let's maintain one ranking for singles men, singles women and doubles. At first there might be mismatches in terms of skill levels. Pero eventually the ranking will sorts itself into order. For example yung mga advanced players nasa top 10, intermediate ung 11-20 tapos ung beginners 21-30. Going back to the challenge list... i-scrap na lang natin eto. Para simple: lahat ng players na naka-rank pde i-challenge tapos lahat ng PTO members pde mag-challenge. So sa simula magkakaroon tayo ng rank based on the tournaments... meron na tayong na-sched na beginner's tournament sa April. Hopefully meron pang mag-organize ng tournaments para maka-buo na tayo ng ranking. Ung tournament results pde natin i-post dun sa tournament section. Ung challenge results mukhang kelangan natin gumawa ng bagong section or sub-section. Tapos ung ranking dun natin i-post sa ranking section  |
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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2007, 02:49:22 PM » |
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oh... and let's come up with rules for our members abroad... kasi minsanan lang sila umuwi dito... maybe they'lll retain their ranking pag umalis sila hnggang makabalik ulit dito? basta paguwi nyo dito, palo hanggang mabali ang raketa... |
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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2007, 04:50:23 PM » |
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magandang suggestion yan ahldrin...medyo weird nga kung maglalaban ung beginner and advanced.
Sir LVL307, ok ako using the NTRP rating. Just wondering Sir LVL307 if we can store the ratings for each player here in the profile section. So merong rating for forehand, backhand, serve, etc... then over-all rating. Para meron tayong record for each player tska additional information for each players.
Kung wala ng objections sa rule pde na natin i-implement. I-refine n lng natin in case may issues tayong makita. For the challenge system kelangan lang natin ng admintrator who will regularly check the challenges, inform the players if he/she has been challenged, etc. Kelangan rin natin ng volunteer ng magu-update ng rankings... although out of the country ako ngayon pde ako kasi regular naman ako ngche-check ng website.... paki-PM na lang sakin ung results.
We'll ask Admin Jong to add these details in the player profiles. Dun sa mag e evaluate ng player ratings, baka may gustong mag volunteer? Gusto ko sana i-nominate si Bro Francis as one of the evaluators. Other than playing well, he has attended almost all our EB's and familiar with the ratings. By this time, I am sure may idea na sya on the playing skills of those we played with in the past. What say you, bro francis? |
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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2007, 05:29:54 PM » |
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... Dun sa mag e evaluate ng player ratings, baka may gustong mag volunteer? Gusto ko sana i-nominate si Bro Francis as one of the evaluators. Other than playing well, he has attended almost all our EB's and familiar with the ratings. By this time, I am sure may idea na sya on the playing skills of those we played with in the past. What say you, bro francis? i don't have any problem with bro louie's nomination but using a tennis ladder, we will eventually not need an evaluator as long as we all agree to the would be tennis ladder rules and rating system. But the tennis ladder will definitely need an administrator for the challenges, matches, ranking, etc. Well, initialy, may be, we need someone to make an evaluation. But we can also do a self-assessment first using the NTRP rating posted here http://tennis.staticbluecreations.com/index.php?topic=28.msg80#msg80. The self-assessment can then be further verified by an assigned evaluator. I understand that in the US, this is done by a certified professional, in our case, the rating will be for PTO's use only. Para lang meron tayong basehan. I suggest we create 3 groups each having a ladder of its own: 1- beginner - NTRP Rating: 2.0 - 2.5 2- intermediate - NTRP Rating: 3.0 to 4.0 3- advanced - NTRP Rating: 4.5 to 5.5 It's group can have its own tennis ladder but a beginner can challenge somebody from the intermediate or advanced; intermediate can challenge advanced but not beginner; and advanced players can only challenge advanced players but not intermediate or beginners. So this would mean that beginners can earn points not only in the beginners ladder but also on the intermediate and advanced as well. And so on... |
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« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2007, 06:38:48 PM » |
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ayan mukhang ready na... simplify na lang sa isang post ang rules... and then, off na para sa eb...
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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2007, 06:48:18 PM » |
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sana last weekend of march ang evaluation matches... maybe we should post na kung anong date tayo pwede mag eb... ako march 31 onwards... pwede na... sa venue, kahit san... |
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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2007, 07:51:14 PM » |
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« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2007, 09:02:32 PM » |
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iorganazie na to... hehehe... sa citadella or rizal na lang tayo... |
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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2007, 09:05:02 PM » |
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ace, finalize mo na yung rules... para masimulan na... wala lang... gusto ko lang makita maglaro ang mga taga PTO eh.... |
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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2007, 09:06:09 PM » |
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uy makakasali ako dyan..uwi ako for vacation this thursday up to 1st week of april..
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« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2007, 09:10:33 PM » |
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ace, finalize mo na yung rules... para masimulan na... wala lang... gusto ko lang makita maglaro ang mga taga PTO eh.... Ace - may PM ako sa iyo, comments ko sa draft. |
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« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2007, 05:52:39 PM » |
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thanks bro Francis! Ako ay pang doubles lang. NTRP rating (self assessment) is 3.0 to 3.5 depende sa gising ko... |
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« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2007, 06:28:03 PM » |
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You know what, while we are waiting for the finalized tennis ladder of PTO, why don't we go ahead and use the tool provided by TennisEngine.com. I can create a league and just PM me where you want to be included. Pick a category below and indicate if you want singles, doubles, or both.
1- beginner - NTRP Rating: 2.0 - 2.5
2- intermediate - NTRP Rating: 3.0 to 4.0
3- advanced - NTRP Rating: 4.5 to 5.5
If it's okay with you please include also your email address and contact number so I can put this information in the TennisEngine database as well. I recommend providing me your email address which will be recorded in the league so you are notified of any league updates, e.g. challenges, your league username and password, etc.
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« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2007, 01:38:57 AM » |
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I went ahead and createD the following tennis ladder leagues on TennisEngine.Com (see below). Feel free to add yourself or PM me your info and i'll add you myself. Click http://www.tennisengine.com/viewleg.asp to see the leagues available. Page down until you get to Philippine Tennis Online (our club) or you can use the search functionality of your browser to find the leagues as listed below. PTO Doubles Beginners PTO Doubles Intermediate PTO Doubles Advance PTO Doubles Open PTO Singles Beginners PTO Singles Intermediate PTO Singles Advance PTO Singles Open LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!! |
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« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2007, 05:17:45 AM » |
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add mo ako bro francis, PTO Singles Intermediate and PTO Doubles Intermediate
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« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2007, 05:26:51 AM » |
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paki add mo ako bro, nd ako maka join online sa league natin sa tennisengine.com, dinadivert ako sa yahoomail sign in page pag mag join ako |
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« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2007, 10:48:57 AM » |
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kelangan daw ng password, bro Francis...I want to join the PTO Doubles, intermediate.
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« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2007, 10:56:16 AM » |
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Yup, pag ni-click mo ung "Join this league" pinapa-email ka kay Francis Francis, pa-add rin ako ha... Paki-check PM ko... Thanks! |
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« Reply #45 on: March 07, 2007, 01:03:38 PM » |
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« Reply #46 on: March 07, 2007, 04:13:31 PM » |
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Uy, ayus, pasok na kami nina don pedro, bro francis, bro rucker. tkx bro francis for registering us. let the games begin...!
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pride and love for the Motherland! |
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pedrolabasulo
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« Reply #47 on: March 07, 2007, 05:22:36 PM » |
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relthinrev
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« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2007, 08:47:16 PM » |
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hehe...wala pang registered sa singles advance....cnu cno kaya pede d2?....  |
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Ace
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« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2007, 10:04:41 PM » |
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Ok 'to ah... exciting hehehe Hopefully mafinalize na namen ung rules by Friday para sa weekend pde na kayo mag-start |
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i thought i saw the light at the end of the tunnel but it turns out it was just me hitting myself on the face with a racket!
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